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Welding ... or not!

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Karl Fields, Mar 26, 2011.

  1. ZomBrian
    Joined: Jan 24, 2008
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    ZomBrian
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    from in IN

    I didn't but I know what it is you mean. I don't venture to far out on the interwebs...my PC has even picked up viruses from Photobucket. The stuff I got was from a swap and the guy demonstrated it and the same rod could "weld" various metals. I was impressed enough to buy it but never got to using it and when I did it was a half-hearted attempt on my part. Still a good product.
     
  2. jdustu
    Joined: Sep 1, 2008
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    from Detroit

    Who the hell is saying you're wrong since your last post? The only thing I'd say your wrong about is calling it welding in your first post.

    The stuff obviously works for certain applications, but it's as expensive as hell and tricky to use. Nothing wrong with others throwing out other option/opinions to the OP.
     
  3. newsomtravis
    Joined: Jun 1, 2009
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    from pville, ca

    that stuff might work, but i would never say that is a "weld", welding acutally melts the parent metals and fuses them toether and even mixes the 2 together, that is more of a soldering operation, neither of the parent materials are "melted" just heated enough for the "solder to flow and stick......so, yeah, that might work, but he did ask about "welding" them together, and he stillhasn`t shown pictures, so, we`re splitting hairs at this point...
     
  4. Had my buddy take some pictures - be that as they are... most were not viewable :(

    Grill is from a '47 Ford Pilot. First picture shows the area of concern, top left.

    Next picture shows the 'pot metal' tab that the wide piece of stainless used to connect to. The wide stainless was magically attached to the rear of the grill frame and the forward portion of the stainless magically attached to this tab. Notice the smaller stainless rib next to it has also come loose.

    Last is a close up of the good side, where the wide stainless is still held to the grill frame. The tab is on the far left of the picture, partially off camera.

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    I think what I will do is rivet (non pop) a stainless rivet through the rear of the stainless into the grill frame, then use some metal to metal adhesive to connect to the tab. There is some outward pressure on the stainless, don't know if it was designed that way or age or a wreck causing it, but the rivet should hold it in and the adhesive just to keep the front snug.

    Thanks for all the above suggestions!
     

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  5. ZomBrian
    Joined: Jan 24, 2008
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    ZomBrian
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    from in IN

    Wow. Not a lot of room for work. To me it looks like it was originally soldered and maybe just became seperated due to vibration or just age. I'd probably just do the adhesive thing and call it a day, also.
     
  6. Onemansjunk
    Joined: Nov 30, 2008
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    Onemansjunk
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    from Modesto,CA

    I believe Mr. Harms Way!!!!-- Let me repeat that!!!!!----I believe Mr. Harms Way!!!--With no disrespect---some only see things One Way----There was an old man down in Bakersfield that repaired pot metal on a 52 Pontiac my old boss restored--- not cheap but the old man knew what the hell he was doing!!!!
     
  7. That Muggy weld rod looks like the answer to filling pits prior to chroming ! I love it when we have assumptions that are blown out of the water!!
     
  8. No assumptions were blown out of the water. Nowhere was it shown that pot-metal is able to be welded. It has been shown that it can be soldered or brazed, although the ability to do that wasn't questioned.

    The Muggyweld product is mis-named. It's a soldering or brazing process, not a weld. There is a difference. Because it incorrectly has "weld" in the name, people think the joint is a weld when it's not. Simple as that.

    That said, it looks like the Muggyweld stuff might be a good choice for this situation; easy to purchase and looks fairly easy to use. It's probably very similar to what was originally done to the grille at the factory if the parts were indeed joined in such a fashion.
     
  9. big M
    Joined: Mar 22, 2010
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    The grill bars were originally soldered. Different alloy solders are used when different metals dictate their usage. The Muggyweld products are an alloyed solder for example. Potmetal cannot be brazed, as its melting point is far below that of brass.

    ---John
     
  10. tig master
    Joined: Apr 9, 2009
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    tig master
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    from up north

    That muggy repairs pot metal yes
    Repairs stainless yes
    Bonds stainless TO pot metal NO "That is like Santa Clause"

    Tig.
     
  11. studeynut
    Joined: Mar 13, 2011
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    There are some excellent 2 part epoxy glues, check with your auto body supplier. Some set-up within seconds, many to choose from
     

  12. So does mean I need a special torch to use JB Weld?

    :D
     
  13. greasyphil
    Joined: Mar 27, 2011
    Posts: 10

    greasyphil
    Member
    from Hamburg Pa

    Why don't you weld a stainless stud to the rib, drill a hole in the tab, badda bing!! BOB's YOUR UNCLE!
     
  14. GaryB
    Joined: Dec 19, 2008
    Posts: 3,529

    GaryB
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    from Reno,nv

    silver solder a tab to another rib and connect the two ribs.just my .02$
     

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