My dad is looking at a 6x2 set up and the owner seems to think the carbs are some rare special stromberg 97 .. Here is a pic. ya the colors of them are really bad...
Iv read that there are some that dont say 97, but iv never seen one. The ones that say nothing have always turned out to be 48s. Youd think there all rare by the prices
The owner of these carbs told my dad that the area where the fuel line attaches (fuel bowls) were different and that made them rear. I do not know enough about them to know what the hell the guy is refering to..
They look like mine also, which is why I do not understand why the current owner thinks they are special.. Wants $150 per carb and they need rebuilding, he said that they are worth more then standard 97's??? Well it looks like either it is super rare and no one knows about it or he is trying to justify the price...
A guy a Charlotte had 6 97's, 3 small and 3 large #. Wanted $150.00 each and they also needed rebuilding. Wouldn't go down in price, said I better get them now as they would go fast. Bet he still has them.
of course you've checked the pirce of the new ones (approx. $400 ea.) so chose your poison. Rebuildable cores (suposedly) or the new unused editions. I'm betting there are a lot of people who would be willing to give what he is asking just by the Ebay prices. Frank
Here's an excerpt from the November 2001 Street Rodder. All you ever wanted to know about Strombergs: STROMBERG VARIATIONS Model 40s were used on the '34 Ford 85hp engine. The air horn, bowl, and base castings all carry a P-19 thousand series designation. Venturi diameter is 1.031-inch; factory flow rating is 175 cfm. Model 48s were used on the '35 Ford 85 hp engine. Only the air horn and bowl castings carry the P-20 thousand series designation. Venturi diameter is 1.031-inch; factory flow rating is 175 cfm. Model 97s were used on the '36, '37, and some very early '38 Ford 85hp production. Both the air horn and bowl castings carry a P-21 thousand series designation. Venturi diameter is 0.969-inch; factory flow rating is 150 cfm. Model 81s were used on the '37 Ford 60 hap production engine. The bowl casting carries a different P-21 thousand series designation. Venturi diameter is 0.812-inch; factory flow rating is 135 cfm. Model LZs were used on the '36, '37 and early '38 Lincoln Zephyr V-12 engines. This bowl casting carries still a different P-21 thousand series designation. Venturi diameter is 1.00-inch; factory flow rating is 160 cfm. The Type I was manufactured in South Bend, Indiana. These were aftermarket replacement parts made by the Bendix Corp. and were distributed through auto parts stores as a direct replacement for the Holley carburetors used by Ford from 1938 through 1948. Most of these carry the 97 logo. The Type II was manufactured in Elmyra, New York. They, too, were an aftermarket part made by Bendix. They were also marketed through auto parts stores as a replacement for the Holley carb used by Ford from 1949 through 1953. Most, but not all, carry a 1-1 marking. A few of these have the 97 logo. Two contacts were given: Dick Crawford Designing 661-251-5386 and Jere Jobe www.vintagecarburetiontech.com pigpen
Good article--from Jobe perhaps?? Actual Ford and Stromberg model numbers differ from each other and from standard hotrod useage. Stromberg called all the ones close to 1" part of the EE-1 series. The v8-60 one was designated "EE-7/8"! Ford designation, cast onto most after the model 40, would be the part number prefix, which identifies the model and year introduced. Ford designations would be 40 (1934 type), 48 (48, used on 1935 and many '36), 67 ("97", first used as economy carb over the counter in '36, rapidly promoted to full production because it improved economy without any noticed loss of performance over the 48). Anyone know anything about difference between large and small number 97's?? Does it have to do with Stromberg factory move? I've noticed that all my small number 97's have the Ford "67" part number prefix cast on top and bowl casting, which leads me to suspect they are original Ford installed carbs. Are big numbers all later replacement carbs sold through Stromberg rather than Ford?
The bottom casting is differs. The cast iron bit where the throttle shaft/blades go. On factory mounted carbs the gasket surface against the intake is more rounded. On aftermarket carbs they are more triangular
"On factory mounted carbs the gasket surface against the intake is more rounded. On aftermarket carbs they are more triangular" Yeah, I've got some of those with the Ford Holley pattern base (all big 97), but I think they are very late production as they are a tiny minority of the big number 97's.
Of the 29 or so 97s I have at home, I've spotted 8 different design variations so far (this includes minor changes in casting, markings, venturis, etc.), although I've been told there's 11. I've only gone through half the carbs though.
I still am looking for an LZ, and I think Bruce Lancaster is too. Just one, that's all. They must be more rare than the 97.
Well, there were far fewer Zephyrs than Fords made...and, as with Ford, the Ford design carb was pushed as the replacement. I just want to run the things to confound the self-appointed experts at car events, the one's who peer anxiously at carbs and then announce, confidently, "Yep, Stromberg 97, just like in the old days...". I prefer to hear them say "Huh??" On variants, many are just caused by rebuilders mixing things--a 97 with no stroke adjustment or detent on the choke just has some earlier parts stirred in, just as many 48's have grown adjustments and detents over the decades. I even have some that seem to have Nash or other bits from other members of the EE-1 Family.
Those carbs don't look like anything special to me. I'm young and I could be wrong but I've been to alot of swap meets and bought alot of carbs and those are just normal strombergs. I have about 60 carbs in my room and they all look the same on the outside. here's a stromberg LZ.
Yea, but it has a few more CFM's, so it should flow a little better on a healthy engine that could support 3 carbs, but I'm using a 2x2 intake. So do the LZ's run as well as the 97's?
I have bought a few 97's that have the 67 in the same circle as the 97. Does anyone know anything about this casting? the 97 is in between the size of a large and the small.
mabee they have threaded brass inserts in the bowls where the seat fitting screws in thats the only thing I can think of that would be different. doesnt cost too much to do that anyway sounds like B S to me
I have one that has a small hole in the cover of the float chamber. Was told that this was feed to South Wind heater. I don't know if cover came with heater or was a modification made when heater was installed.
More stuff...I was convinced that the small 97's indicated original Ford use, as they also carry the 67 designation, and that large 97s were all ones sold later by Stromberg. I was also convinced that all with the triangular/Holley type base were very late aftermarket...then recently I noticed that the Ford overhaul instructions, written in 1938, showed a large 97 AND a triangular base! Poof! Well, small 97's ones were definitely real Ford, but obviously Ford used multiple variants in production (I have another theory about the funny base, but no proof yet). Still, I've never seen a "67" cast on a large 97. Mercsled...the 67 is Ford's PN mark so parts guy could distinguish between 40, 48, and 97 parts. The part number for a 97 at Ford is 67-9510. Another variant or two...some late aftermarket 97's had venturi/ported portal to hook up '49-53 distributors, a worthless idea. Late ones also came with a brass tube extending the off-idle hole in each throat, visible from below with throttle open. This tube required slight notches in the bottoms of the venturis.
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