Im just talked to Ron last week and im supossed to hopefully see him this week,he said he dont have any more pics of this show but he said he was goinig to double check.He is sure that he let TRJ use all the pics he had.
That's too bad. It's kind of wierd that everything is shot from the same side of the tent you would think there would have been cars all around the outside and then the row down the middle.
jeff funny story on mercs. jack calori in 1950 or so had a new merc and he took it to barris to do a motor swap for a new cad motor and some minor shaving george was slacking on the work taking to long giving jack the run around he too like jerry taking no **** from anyone told george get it done or he in his words knock him out. funny story comming from an 86 year old man. he told me george was a real a-hole. and didnt care to bisnuss with him. billy
Post #17 from K13 asked if the ropes with the flags were moved to let the Merc in as shown in post #2. If you look in post #3 thet are laying on the crowed control ropes, but to the right of the large center pole on around to the end of the picture they are all hung up high as if this is a early picture in this process of seting up the show. if you blow up post #1 and zoom in the hubcap and focus on the hupcap on the car refection next to it, the reflected hub cap looks alot like the one on the car in post #3 on the right side of the empty spot.
That is funny,and Jerry has told me a couple similar ones of his experiences,I will tell you about em sometime.
Good point on the flags. But as for the hubcap reflection in Jerry's hubcaps... it looks like a Cadillac Sombrero... but in 1951-52 the majority of the customs ran Cadillac Sombrero hubcaps, so that does not rule out anything.
Actually your right the photo on the left is shot with flash, you can tell by the small hot spots on the door handle, upper door post , door opening edge, by using flash Ms Campbell was able to get a bit sharper image, the photo on the right appears to be shot with out flash and camera hand held, its a little soft. I agree with Jeff, the 49 Chevy fast back appears to be the same car in both photos. The material and height of the back seat can be can the seen in the left photo through the bottom corner of the driver side gl*** opening over the front seat. There seem to be some kind of reflection caught on the quarter gl***, keep in mind this shot was done with flash, also what may appears to be wide piping along the top of the back seat can also be lighting of a round surface. One thing I also noticed was that the car was not backed in to this spot, the gr*** in front of the wheel is not disturbed or crushed, it appears that the car was pull straight in, possibly the tent was raised to allow the car in. Also the photo from Ms Campbell was possibly shot during/after show, photos featured in rodders journal possibly shot during set up before show.
I'm thinking the same thing about the rear seat. The reflection of the curve at the top of the seat is overwhelming the white of the piping. Note how the reflection stops at a somewhat hard line at the top of the seat? I believe it's the same car, and that you're seeing different angles, different lighting, and the limitations of the camera.
Rik,if you get a chance can you do your zoom magic on the first car in the back row? Im refering to the 3rd picture that I posted on this thread.Those cars that are far away have got me really trying to stare hard at em.That furthest one looks alot like Jack Sewarts car with a sectioned hood and it looks to be the top of the same grill as Jacks car????? maybe. Also maybe Jesse Lopez next to him,you can definitely tell the sectioned hood from the non sectioned hood.
I don't have the original scans/photos of these photos, so all I can do is scan from the magazine... so there will be some loss in this already blurry photo. But from what I can see and was told this is the line up from left to right... 1947 Mercury Coupe Cliff Rockohn - Barris 1941 Ford Coupe Snooky Janich - Barris 1940 Mercury Nick Matranga - Barris 1941 Ford Jesse Lopez - Sam Barris/Jesse Lopez 1941 Ford Jack Stewart - Ayala/Barris When Palle and I where visiting Jack Stewart in November last year this issue was just out, and we asked Jack about this show, and if he showed his car there. He could not remember, so it could very well be that he had already sold the car then to Jim Street. And in that case. Perhaps Danny Larez was already the owner of the Jesse Lopez 1941 Ford. Which makes sense, since I think you can see the start on the hood trim on the 1941 Ford, and Danny had Barris added a longer piece of side trim on the hood than what Jesse used. And possibly Nick's Mercury also had a new owner already. It looks Like Snooky's 41 Ford is in primer...
Oh YES ! Rik that is the lineup! Look at Matranga's CURVED sidegl***.Im sure that is Jesse's car and im positive that is Jack Stewarts car on the end.I think I might have written this on the start of this thread,this is the lineup that I have thought it was since this issue came out and your close pretty much show it. thanks
Yep but thats how you get to the bottom of **** that was 60 years ago.It has been proven ......... You cant believe everything you read in the books you have.
I have been talking to some old timers that used to shoot pics and they were telling the same thing you are talking about Ragtopking,it makes sense.
I went and spent some time with Ron Kellogg and I got to see his collection,what a nice guy he is what a hell of a collection he has.I did get to look at the Montebello photos and there were a couple more photos that were not used in the TRJ but they were mostly pics from outside.A good picture of the opposite side of where the Barris cars were parked inside the tent but it does show people setting stuff up.So it is pretty much forsure that all the pictures Chesebrough shot were before the show started.In his pictures you can see clearer that the other cars we mentioned were there..... Stewart,Lopez,Matranga.In his photos you can also see the entrance where people walked in the tent,what a show for custom fans,this place had some Heavy Hitters.
Are there any other photos of this chevy? Im look for a decent shot of where the appletons are mounted. i have a 2 dr sedan and just can figure where the best place to mount them.
Bickford,go to Ricks site and get Gorden Anderson folder under Barris customs.I think their is a couple more pics of this car.
HERE are all the photos I have found on this car... not sure if they will show you what you need though.
Ok!!! so i just spent over an hour studying the photo!!! I believe this is the same that both photos are take from. Here is my view on why i think its the same. 1. This might have been on the last night of the show. So they took the flags down or Marcia Campbell took them down for the photo. She's and artist. That the stuff she would of done so it wouldn't ruin the photo. That would be easy to do. Taking the rope down for the photo would of been a lot harder. It was most likely tied at one end of the tent and wrapped around all the post till it was tied to the other end. 2. Looking at the photo on TRJ page #129. Yes it was taken with a flash or a tripod. The reflection on the seats look like the seats in Campbell's photo. You gotta remember that most of these cars upholstery was done in Mexico. Not top notch like today. The reflection does stop harshly at a certain point of the top of the seats. There is a de-stink line on the top where pipping would be. From this distance and the photo was taking your not going to get a clear view of the piping. Even if the pipping is white. The lighting is really bad in there. There is not one area in the photo in focus. Most likely Ron Kellogg thought he had his camera ( im guessing a speed graphics camera ) set up for infinity shots. Im sure he wasn't looking threw the back view finder of the camera. Probable looking threw the view finder or the peep sight. The photos on page # 129 and 135 are both out of focus. He must have just got there and took some quick random shot. 3. Ron Kellogg's other photos of the show are different. Photo does look like it was shot during set up. The lights weren't on yet. The rope around the hot rods wasn't even up yet. On page # 130. there are guys in suits. these guys must have something to do with organizing or promoting the show.On page # 134 there still no lights and a couple of guys sitting on the tires of hot rods. either its there cars there sitting on or there the labor getting all the cars into spots. He was most likely using the rear view finder to get precise focus on an object and a flash . Also in the photos that are nice and focused. 4. The easel in-between the cars looks like it not set up to write on top of. Look like it was moved back to the back of the tent. Its pushed all the way against the tent. Look at the way the table is angled also. So someone finished the signs and letting them dry on the gr*** and started to clean up. Well that my thought on it. To me its the same show without a doubt. So i can see if Jerry was late for the set up.
Not to start the chaos up again but wasn't Snooky's car said to have been built in '52 which would push this show back a full year from when we are ***uming it was?
No Snooky's 1941 Ford was an older built. It can be seen here with 1950 or older plates with the bumper guard taillights. Later in 1951 the car got the 1939 Chevy taillights molded into the rear fenders. Most likely this modification, and possibly some others or minor repair work was just finished and the car was still in primer, or not yet rubbed out lacquer when it was shown at the Montebello show.
I thought it was but I am sure I remember seeing it somewhere that it was built in 1952. Seems strange that they would be off by 2 or more years in a build date. Edit. yeah here are two seperate places where it is listed as built in '52 (pics courtesy of Rik)
I was just going to add those photo But both magazines are wrong. Probably using the same wrong facts from somewhere else. I think The current owners even thinks the car was built in 1948... but I have no proof for that. The 1950 or older license plate in the photo I showed should proof it was well built before 1952. In one of the Barris books there are a couple of photos of the car with 1951 license plates.
I must say that since this thread started I have done some pretty hard research to find if there any other shows around this time that had all of these same details.The gr***,rope,tent and I can not find any other shows nor have I heard of anything even close to this.After spending the morning with Ron Kellogg I know for a fact that this show only happened once and it was a weekend show.So im just saying that im still ready to hear about some other shows that Jerrys car was at that had all these things in common. .................anyone please.
Jeff have you been looking into finding some online or library archives of local news papers from this era? Last Minute Mark suggested it.. .and I think its a very good possibility you might be able to find something there.
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