Don't know about the others, but the 2.0 is pretty stout and there use to be a lot of performance parts. My wife had a '72 Pinto with the 2.0 and it ran great behind a C4. My buddy used a 2.0 in a sandrail. The block was shaved to boost compression for alcohol. It was turbo charged, fuel injected and ran nitrous with propane. One day, he put a muffler on it and the noise it made was gawd awful. He pulled the head and found too much clearance between the piston and cylinder walls. Expecting cracked piston skirts, he pulled the pistons. He said the skirts were so thick, there were no cracks, so he put it back together and took the muffler off. At night, he would put a little nitro in the mix when he ran around the sand dunes.
I thought those were like the Vega engines, run them till they smoke too bad (Around 80K miles) then throw them away cause it cost too much to re-sleeve them. Replace with SBC and go racing. LOL
I had a `72 Pinto back in the day, 2.0's had many performance parts available at that time, made a pretty neat little first "hot rod" so to speak.
Hey Joe how did you ever get 80,000 miles out of a Vega motor .It usually took 3 or 4 motors to get 80000 miles out of a Vega .2.0 & 2.3 pinto motors were pretty stout I had one that I got over 100,000 mi out of by just changing oil every 10,000 mi or so . Back in the Gas crunch days they build quite a few Street Rods with little motors .Most people laughed at them .But the got 30mpg .HA HA now huh !
There are several engine in Pintos over the years, I never heard of a 1.3. The 1.6 is a Kent engine, used for years in Formula Ford SCCA racing. Then there is a 2 Liter German engine, also a very good engine. Then there is a 2.3 OHC engine that was made one year with no hole sin the rods, they were all bad but easy to repair. Then there is a newer 2.0 and 2.3 and 2.5 OHC and DOHC engine totally different, made for more modern cars and trucks. Look up Focus Midget to see the more exciting of these. JBA ran a Focus at Bonneville with one of those late model engines and held a record for a while. The only one of the above that was condidered a throw away engine is the 2 liter Ranger engine. If you find a 2.3 from a Turbo Coupe or a Murkor, you will have a 140 CI engine that puts out around 150 to 200 HP with its turbo.
Early 80's we put the German 2.0 in a model A using a 32 trans and bellhousing. Lots of A's were running with a lightened A flywheel and the stock trans and rear end. The little A is still alive in Georgetown, Tx.
they were available in all the mentioned sizes 1.3 was in the german taunus 1.6 2.0 in the british range and the 2.3 in the states over here in the uk the tuning potential is huge with many companies spe******ing in these engines but for serious power pintos it has to be malta and the powerhouse workshop these guys can get unbelievable power from these engines try googling manty bugelia or looking at the malta dragracing sites.
I pulled a 4 banger out of a '73 Vega and dropped in a '68 chevy 307 with a 2 bbl carb... Man it was fast!!!
The smaller sizes were sold in Europe, like Duncan said. The 2.3 looked a lot like it, but has different spacings on the cylinders, etc. I heard no parts acctually fit from one to the other. I have a 2.0 in a Sandrail, and another 2.0 is going in a Scottish built Racecar I own. I think I have some pics of them on the Dogfight Forum.
The 71-73 pinto's came with either the 1.6L OHV Kent engine, or the 2.0L EAO. The 1.3, 1.6, and 1.8L EAO's were only used in Europe. I used to autocross a 72 Pinto with the 2.0 EAO engine, I loved out running V8's with it.
These two threads have good info. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255359&highlight=ford+cylinder http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317117&highlight=ford+engine The Pinto motors were not junk aluminum block motors with sleeves that walked on their own like the Vega.
i raced a dirt car with a 2000 in it it would rev to 9500 just milled the head an put a cam kit in it
My track roadster has a '72 2000 in it, mild cam and a little head shaving. It's plenty of power for a 1400 lbs. car.
Hey Joe how did you ever get 80,000 miles out of a Vega motor .It usually took 3 or 4 motors to get 80000 miles out of a Vega It was a Cosworth...
The Vega had no sleeves, and the basic materials technology used in the Vega engine - Reynolds 390 high-silicon aluminum (aka Kolbenschmidt Alusil) is running around on the roads today in a few million Porsches, Audis, BMWs, etc. and some Japanese as well IIRC. We've got two BMW V8s and an Audi V8 in the driveway that are built that way. One of the BMWs has a whole 5mm between bores...as for the Audi, I don't want to know what the engine internals look like, Audi engineering is really: "Hans, I don't tink ve haff enuff parts in zis engine." "Mein Gott, Dieter, sehr richtig! More parts!" But I digress...GM, having come up with the sleeveless die-cast block, then chickened out and used an iron head (different thermal expansion rates) and IIRC iron main caps, then the bean-counters got hold of the head gasket (it couldn't accommodate the different expansion rates), and underspecced the cooling system (it was, after all, a cheap car.) There were other detail failings like the water pump, and the public at the time was weak on understanding care and feeding of aluminum engines, and the long-stroke over-2-liter design made it shaky and buzzy, but the block material is the one part they pretty much got right. The lesson is really that if you're going to try out a somewhat radical new technology, do it in a lower-volume, less cost-constrained market space. Anyway...personal opinion: there were three four-pot engines used in the Pinto: the 1.6L pushrod 'Kent', the 2.0 'EAO' or 'Pinto motor' and the 2.3 'Lima'. The first two were very good engines. The 2.3 is strong enough but co**** and shaky, some folks love 'em but I wouldn't want to own one, seems like every time I've wrenched on one I find it's shaken half its fasteners loose to the point they're finger-tight. If you don't need a '70s-period motor, the junkyards are full of $200 2-liter Zetecs that are better than any of those...
here is my lil 2.3 in my roadster. its the smallest motor ive ever used in any of my cars and the only 4cyl ive ever used...turned out to be my fav to drive. nothing special done to it cause its stock but its pretty quick due to the weight of the car. i built it to drive something kinda cool and not kill my wallet since im a poor boy
I had a 2 liter Pinto in my roadster. Pretty good motor. Well built I thought. Seem plenty of the 1.6 pushrod motors in Pintos and I think they were in Army Jeeps. Pretty doggy I thought. Never had a 2.3.
But that's not a "Pinto" motor, It's a Cologne V6, commonly known as the Taunus V6 (as versus the Es*** V6)
I also thought about using this engine for mpg. like this one: http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2306181805.html
My O/T daily driver (a 1988 Ford Ranger XLT extended cab) with a 2.3 has a Holley 350 CFM 2 barrel carb with duraspark ignition, 5 speed, 3.73 gears, and A/C, at 2900 lbs empty I get 29 mpg on the hwy, 22 in the city. I could only imagine how good it could be in a car with alot less frontal area, and half the weight of my Ranger.
that is a cross flow Kent 1600 - good motor as discussed here. It is a pushrod 1600. Intersting that he called it a Lima motor, cuz they NEVER built 1600 Pushrods in Lima - they built the MEL V8 initially. Then 170/200/250 straight sixes, the 385 series 429/460, the 2./2.5 4 cylinder HSC, and some 2.0/2.3/2.5 OHC Mustnag Ranger and Mazda 4 bangers. Currently they build Duratec 3.5 V6 and Vulan 3.0 V6's, but NEVER the 1.6 that I ever heard of.
That is the 1.6L Ford Kent engine with the later model crossflow head, it's the same 1.6's that came in english cars like the Cortina, etc, but they didn't have the crossflow head. They also used them in formula Ford racecars. They are good little engines. A friend of mine had swapped one into a 59 Bugeye Sprite, added dual sidedraft 40mm Dellorto's, ported head with bigger valves, and header, that car was a real animal.
I know a guy who used to drag race a Pinto with a 2.0 motor with a turbo, he left the line at 11,000 RPM The car was a national record holder three years. The car has just been restored and will be shown locally.
2.0 and the 1.6 OHC (Over Head Cam) engines are pretty stout provided that you change the cam oil bar everytime you change the oil filter, Change the cam belt every 10K miles and check the valve clearance every 6K miles (they have a tendency to close up and then wont rev and burn up the exhaust valve) Was a Ford apprentice and spent a lot of time working on these engines. Not sure that the mileage was that good in a Cortina or Capri but in the RS2000 (******) they went well and seemed to get good mileage. Came as standard in the RS2000 with a 34/36(?) webber and a sort of tubular manifold. Personally I would go for a newer 2.0 Zetec, my Dad has one in his Focus and it goes like stink and gets 40+mpg. P.
The next-next project in the queue is a Mk1 Cortina, haven't yet decided on a 2-liter Zetec (Focus, ****** ZX2), maybe turboed, or a 4-liter pushrod Cologne V6 (Ranger, Explorer) with triple DCNF-type throttle bodies, both basic motors are readily available junkyard items. Leaning toward the V6 right now. If one wants to roam the junkyards afield of the Ford space the Saab B204/B234 motors are very strong, '95-up versions use the GM Ecotec bolt pattern and should bolt up to an Aisin 5-speed out of a Colorado/Canyon though the gear spacing might be a bit wide, as with the Zetec you'll have to deal with adapting the transverse FWD coolant, intake. etc. plumbing to an RWD layout (various Brit vendors have off-t******lf bits for the Zetec, it's a very common swap motor over there.) I'm told I may have a good running B234T falling in my lap...not sure yet what I'm going to do with it... Once again this all presupposes use of a modern motor vs '60s (1600 Kent) or '70s (2000 OHC Pinto, 2.3).
Are you sure that the 4.0 litre v6 is a cologne engine. I know that the 3.0 litre V6 in my 03 Ranger is NOT a Cologne but something else (I think they called it Bullett or something like that. I know one thing, if you are going V6 in your Pinno you are doing the right thing. Them 4 cylinder engines with an automatic is got to be the most gutless wonder ever. My brother had one with the 2.3L and the slowest Dynaflow equipped Buick would still tear up those Pinners. Vega, now that is a very long story!!! Most everyone I followed smoked till it started knocking, then siezed up. Another engineering wonder of GM.
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