heres what I got when i was considering directions on my 50, first off thats a somewhat heavy car, so if ya don't have a boat load of power its going to be slow. as for the 413 industrial.. if ya have a 440 go with that if you dont want to rebuild a motor, the 413 can be made to make power, but your going to need better heads and cam, and pistons are almost nonexistent for that mill. if the 440 has a forged crank defiantly run it, if its cast, take the rotating ***embly minus the pistons from the 413 and use them in the 440, the 413 industrial has a very good forged crank and supposedly it has the 6 pack rods in it, the bore size is goofy so finding inexpensive pistons is a chore. put the 413 crank and rods in the 440 with a decent set of hyperutectic pistons, rebuild and mill the heads .010 get a nice open plenum intake to trade some tourque for hp and carb and you will have a 1hp / ci motor or better, and the motor home 727 is supposed to have a 4 planetary gear set as opposed to 3 in a truck / car 727 but i can't confirm that until i rebuild my motor home 727. whats low mileage? 100k mi in a mopar big block in a car or truck is about the time where you need to rebuild. motor homes are a lot more stress on the motor.
Better yet, see if you could find a set of '67 440 heads for the 413.. From what I've read in the past, those are the best stock heads you could bolt on a bb mopar motor... Or was it the MAX WEDGE heads???
The 413 has about 30K on it. The 440 is unknown. I was told it was from a 1972 Town and Country wagon. It does have the forged crank and about 8.2:1 compression. I don't want to rebuild anything since this is a budget build.
Since I am an Ol' Fart I'll throw in my 2 cents worth of advice in the 70's I managed M&M Speed in Sacramento during the Jimmy Carter "gas crisis" in the 70's, I took a job as parts manager at a Dodge dealership in Manteca,Ca a few years later and we did a lot of Motorhome repair and we found some things that worked "back in the day" to improve mileage that worked so here is what I suggest,use the 413 and use the 440 heads as suggested use this intake: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EDEL...tZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories the small runners increase low end velocity which improves mileage,contact Crower Cams at 1(619) 661-6477 and ask about the X-Treme Mileage Cam not listed in the catalog as the 70's retarded "smog" cams really **** in both of your big block Mopars,the Carb of choice was the Carter 9637 AFB ( you would need the open style Performer spacer plate to adapt) ,you will notice that the intake has a spreadbore pattern which was for the Thermo-Quad which if set up right worked well,however parts for these are hard to come by with some minor fabricating you could use a GM Quadrajet to take advantage of the small primaries that promote fuel economy,the other thing that was good for a solid 2-3 MPG was using the MOPAR electronic distributor with the chrome Direct Connection control box.This unit is the one that replaced it and the price is right!http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mopa...tZVintageQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Noticing the key word budget build" you might want to look up Delta Cams they can probably duplicate the mileage cam for a lot less$$
If you want to keep the 350, just replace the all the valve seals with new PC type seals and new valve cover gaskets.. Cost? Probably less than 40 bucks... A good tune up after that wouldn't hurt..
Worst case scenario is selling the 413, and dropping in the LT1/4L60E I have sitting in my garage. Then never opening the hood.
GREAT ADVICE. I wish i would have done that,ive got 2 now that dont run.Keep the hood closed and put a cable choke on the 350 and whe your next to another car,pull your choke out to load it up for the big cam sound .ONE AT A TIME.................YG
sell or trade one or more of your engines for a 1974 to 1986 chrysler 318 or 360. heads for unleaded fuel, reliable, bullet proof and unbeatable power per dollar. They are cheap to buy and build. keep it close to stock and drive it anywhere, any time.
I am not putting a 318 into this car. I may as well just swap in another 350 chevy - its just as correct, cheaper, and a lot less work. I said this on the first page. I might as well swap in the LT1. At least I would have 300hp and 25mpg.
I am amazed how few people actually read this stuff before they make comments. Put the 413 with the motor home trans in that 57. I'd put a timing chain in it 1st. They had the plastic cam gear that would break up with heat, the one in the 413 is probably not in good shape. A true double roller will fix the smog cam retard, and degree that cam in while your there. It will give it more performance and better mileage then it had stock replacing parts that are probable junk anyway. Once the timing chain has been changed, it was not unusual to get 150K-200K miles from a big block Mopar if it was taken care of. A big block Mopar can get close to 20mpg cruising on the highway with 2:76 rear gears, but will be lucky to get 10 around town. It will have enough torque to get your car moving with those gears. The motor home engines had extra water p***ages around the valves for better cooling, that is why the heads and exhaust are goofy. So, change the timing chain and throw that 413 with the 727 in your 57 and enjoy some happy motoring. Gene
Of your choices so far, I agree completely with the post above. Fixing the Chevy installation is going to be as much work as putting the 413 in it. Parts to but a B/RB in a '57-59 Mopar are easy to find. Starting in '58, Dodge and Plymouths came with 350s and 361s, while Chrysler and DeSotos had 361s, RB-383s, and 413s. Those parts are out there, including all the manifolds and any linkage you would need. You could always go 289 Ford...
While the 440 makes me salivate, I'd say look for a 318. They did a 400 hp 318 buildup a few years back in Mopar Magazine. 318's are not slouches, and 375 to 400hp is relatively easy to get out of them while still getting 18 to 20 mpg.
sounds like you made your mind up that the chevy comig out .put the 413 in it send me the 350 little smoke wouldn't bother me.
Since you said you wanted big power AND good gas mileage, sounds like the best choice to me. Unless you want to let a bunch of internet crybabies and drama queens decide how you want to build your car... Brian
Something I thought about as well, H.P. figures are one thing, torque is what gets the job done. You can have a relatively low H.P. engine, but with good torque #'s, and you've got a great engine. Chevy guys have traditionally worshipped H.P.'s because their god is the sbc, which in day's past needed very high RPM's to multiply H.P. in order to wring torque out of their little motors. It's the same reason you don't want a 318 in your car, however, 318's are prettty torquie for a small block, certainly better than the run of the mill sbc. All that said, decent fuel economy is not neccesarily exclusive of big blocks either. My Mom's '67 440 Magnum GTX, not a light car, which had 440 6 pack rods and a Mopar Purple cam in it, got 17 MPG on average. It had 480 H.P., but more importantly, BB Mopars are torque MONSTERS. They are tough, and CHEAP. Don't let the little sbc toadies tell you any different...
Your avitar is deceiving... You apparently have little experience with MotherMopar or you A. would never have had to ask the question and, B. would not dismiss the 318 out of hand. The SBM, in any displacement, will do exactly what you are asking for. A pre-66 318 (Poly) would be an excellent engine and they have the low speed torque that sbc can only dream about. The post-67 LA engines are dirt cheap in just about any cities craiglist simply due to the fact that they last forever. But, your comments (and my perception of your at***ude) indicate (to me) that you long ago decided on using a sbc. Your time, your money. .
Ha! You don't even know what gutless even is. You should drive my 58 Plymouth with a 230 flathead and a two speed automatic, now that is gutless.
Ditch the SBC. sooner or later you will want to flip the car and it will be a POS people with money don't want. this is a traditional site and you have a or start of a ratrod. The 318/360 with a TF727 out of a truck or van would be cheap and easy to find. Can you tell us why the 318 isn't possible but keeping the SBC is? Killbillet is a sight that might welcome your car.
Please read before commenting - this is a low budget build and I would like to use one of the engines I have. I don't want to buy another engine or rebuild one right now. I pulled the 440 apart yesterday and its rusty inside, so I guess I will be looking at the 413. I know its a good runner. I will have to go and search out some engine mounts for it. I seafoamed the 350 that is in the car yesterday , also. Must have had a stuck ring that came unstuck. Thing stopped smoking.
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