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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by aldixie, Jun 15, 2011.

  1. aldixie
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    Hi Guy,s,

    I have a 289/302 Ford motor that came with my new project. It has all of the accessories brackets and accessories but I don't have a clue how they mount. This is my first small block Ford, normally I have always had Chevy's. I need pictures of how they mount. They are standard brackets for the Alternator, power steering and AC.

    Also how can I tell if I have a 289 or 302, the heads have 289 cast into them but in the lifter valley it has 302 cast.

    Thanks,

    Alex
     

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  2. Orange Crate
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    Check the date codes on the block and heads, the stamping should be fairly accurate though. 302's and 289's both had a 4" bore, the difference is in the crank and rods. Are your brackets for a v-belt set up or serpentine belt?
     
  3. squirrel
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    I don't think there's any such thing as standard brackets on a Ford....

    but if you post some pics of the brackets, several pics showing all the parts, we might could help you figure out what you have and where it goes.

    Ford played some interesting games with changing which side the lower radiator hose went on, they changed the number of bolts in the lower pulley, different front covers, etc. If the brackets you have are old Ford parts, post the frirst 4 digits of the part numbers on them, such as D0AP or whatever.
     
  4. Pooch
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    from Oklahoma

    I hate ford bracket matching.
     
  5. Deuces
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    Dude! Did you butcher up a shopping cart so you could roll that motor around in your garage???.. Tsk Tsk... ;)
     
  6. Bleach
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    The brackets mount on a few or all three threaded holes in the front of the heads and sometimes use a hole or two on the water pump.
    As mentioned earlier, there is no standard bracket.
     
  7. JeffB2
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    from Phoenix,AZ

    This should give you info on Ford block & head codes just click on the column in blue print to the left http://www.mre-books.com/interchange/index.html Running 289 heads on a 302 block is not uncommon (I have that setup) the 289 heads are smaller chamber for more compression and they have stud mounted rockers much better than the later rockers for adjustment.I see from your picture you have the cursed "long" pump which can cause radiator clearance problems in a lot of swaps this is some info to clear things up I posted :http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303600 scroll down to post#5.Don't be afraid of converting to the early pump because there are lots of Mustang restoration companies to get the brackets you need,if you do a Google search put "Mustang 289 engine" in and click on images and you will see how the brackets and pulleys are laid out.
     
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  8. aldixie
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    Works well for Engines and trans. I found it in the drainage ditch at the end of my road.
     
  9. aldixie
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    I'll take some pictures of the brackets I have.

    Thanks
     
  10. Three Widow's Garage
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    If I am rembering right the 69 302 had the alternator mounted
    with the pivot bolt on one of the holes in the front of the p***enger
    side head, there should be a spacer between the alternator & head
    I've seen these in diffrent lengths from 1 1/2 to around 3 inches
    depending on what is needed to line up the belts. The tension
    adjuster mounts to one of the water pump bolts, The power steering pump should mount on the lower driverside of the block. Provided the brackets
    and accesories are correct for the motor it should all be pretty self
    explanatory, good luck. JJ
     
  11. Take you digital camera to the junk yard and take pictures a the front of all the small block Ford cars you can find. Then compare them at home to the parts you have.

    This isn't rocket science...it's called the learning curve of experience...

    Charlie
     
  12. I am running into this problem now. I am putting a vintage air unit, 1-wire alt. and new radiator & electric fan in my wife's 62 Falcon. I thought I had a 289 in it, but now believe it is a 260. When I swapped the early style aluminum water pump for the later style cast iron version, it left a great big hole under the p***. side head, straight into the lifter galley.

    Brackets are available, but be sure you know what you have and what you want before you order, it took my 3 tries to get it right.
     
  13. Duration
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    from Wayne, MI

    a lot of time on old ford V8s, making brackets is easier than finding originals that work how you want. what do you have to mount? alternater brackets are real simple and ps pumps arent a challenge either. water pumps changed in 1970 to a different side hose outlet then changed again when serp belts started. 289 and 302 used the same heads in late 60s. 302 came out in 68.
     
  14. KULTULZ
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    That is an early block where the front cover has the oil fill tube and the oil is introduced straight into the lifter valley. It should also have closed rocker covers (no fill caps).

    Do you need and still have those pieces?
     

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  15. I am not sure what pieces you are refering to? I still have the original engine parts I removed and I hope I dont need anything else. I had to change the timing cover to the later style in order for the cast iron pump to work.
    As far as the oil tube, that is correct, but the timing cover I had actually had a plug, similar to a freeze plug, in the cover and was not used. The oil fill was in the valve cover.
     
  16. KULTULZ
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    If your original timing cover is in good condition, how much do you want for it?
     

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