Hi, I've searched everywhere an answer to my questions, but you are my last hope ! First of all, I live in France (it may be important) I've got a T5 gearbox out of a Camaro (2002), it's a world cl***, and a "non-chevy" bolt pattern, but it's not as available here as in the U.S. On my other hand, I've got a french flathead (Simca Cargo) I want to use with the box (well, I want to use the box with THIS engine, rather). But, as you may know, the french flat is the same casting as the early 24 studs Ford, and I've found nowhere an adapter to use the one with the other ... So I thought that I could use the internals from my gearbox (world cl***), in an other case, that would be Chevy bolt pattern. But the only one I found is in the USA, and is an S10 case, wich was NON world cl***. So here is my question (finally !) : may I use the internals (the gears) from a world cl*** T5 in a non world cl*** T5 case ? Or if it's not possible, where could I find an adapter to use with this particular bolt pattern and an early flat ? Thanks a lot for your answers. Mik
I don't know much about late models, but how is it a non chevy bolt pattern if it came out of a camaro? do you mean the LS pattern or the V6 pattern? can't you just swap the bell housing for a sbc one?
He means not what we think of as the "standard" Chevy bolt pattern. The bolt pattern on that Camaro t-5 is somewhat different.
WC guts need to be in a WC case. If you were to swap WC guts into a main case with the Chevy bolt pattern, you would want to look for a '88-92 Camaro case. They started using the WC in Camaro's in '88, but didn't switch to the Ford style bolt pattern until '93.
The 292-FT5BHA from Wilcap will adapt the newer world cl*** to an 8ba. They're Ford pattern. http://www.wilcap.com/webdoc8.html
Also, there ARE World Cl*** S-10 T-5 cases with the "standard" Chevrolet bolt pattern. I've got two of them laying on my shop floor as I type this. So, finding a case of this type should not be a particularly diffiuclt problem (in the US, that is). However, if an adapter is available as described that should solve the problem anyway. Ray
Writing "non chevy bolt pattern", I meant not the "traditionnal" chevy bolt pattern, that's it. I thought it was a Ford bolt pattern, but looks like a late Ford. So, the adapter Mac's speed in NZ sells is not suitable for this usage . It's not a toploader ford bolt pattern ... @ Zman, the french flathead is a casting similar to the 59A, not like the 8BA, it has a partial bellhousing casted. So the Wilcap adapter will not work. @ Snarl, that's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure ... Thanks all !
Well, in US, it may be kinda "findable", but here ... I only found one empty case on Ebay, but a 88 S10, NWC
You can't swap internals from a WC to a NWC. The trans you have is most likely like the 96 > Chevy Camaro V6 W/C style that uses the ford bolt pattern on the bellhousing end with the chevy input shaft. Here is really good info that may help you: http://www.flatheadv8.org/ernie/ernie-t5.htm
Some early '93 S10's were, but no, they are not easy to find. You can consider yourself lucky to have found two...
I bought an entire 93 S-10 just to get the W/C chevy bolt pattern T-5..they're out there in the USA but even here they're rare. Flat Ernie [HAMB name] has a dedicated site to address these kind of problems. I tried to cut a paste it here but I lack computer skills to get the job done. Do a search for flaternie or flat ernie and click on "T-5 tech" in red
This link is one of my (don't know how to say it in english) "bedside sites" ... But I've nowhere found the solution to my particular problem. My box is by the way a Chevy with a Ford bolt pattern, and a Chevy input shaft (wich is no matter for me). Was in a V6, 3.8 L Camaro. The tailhousing swap is not a problem, S10 tailhousings are "common" on Ebay, and not as expensive as a complete box to be sent this side of the ocean. The problem is to mate the front of the box with the rear of the engine. I bought an adapter from Mac's speed (NZ), but it was not the right bolt pattern, though it was a Ford one. But the one they sell (and the only one that's sold for what I've seen) is for the early "toploader" style bolt pattern. It looks like the only way is an adapter from the bellhousing cast in the engine to a (choose one) chevy or early ford bolt pattern, then, a plate to bolt the box to the adapter. But I feel this is not a neat option, adapter on adapter. Not beautiful ... But if it's the only way, then, I'll go this way ! Thank you all !
It's ok for the trans, but not for the engine. Mine is a French flathead, wich is cast like an early Ford (59A). THAT is the very big problem ...
Not so fast! You need more than the tail housing. You need the top cover ***embly with the shift forks and rod, and the output shaft, and shifter all from the S-10 trans. Also, you need the plastic oiling "funnel" from the S-10. Sometimes it's easier to buy an s-10 trans as well just for all the parts you'll need.
The the back of the block on a French flathead, however, is 59A-style, so an 8BA adapter won't work. For the original poster, I'd be looking to sort some sort of flat-plate adapter. A local engineering company should be able to help. Use a big truck 4-speed hogshead and then get your engineering company to fabricate a flat plate adapter to sandwich between the hogshead and the T5. That's all I can think to do off the top of my head...other than finding a '93 S10 T5 with the 'traditional' Chevy bolt pattern. Like Snarl said, they're hard to come by.
No they don't, you just have to use all the guts from the WC trans. I put WC parts into an older T-5 with the conventional bolt pattern (NWC) so a friend could use it in his 67 Camaro. You need the WC input shaft, WC Output Shaft (main shaft), WC cluster gear with bearing races ( Yes the WC front race will fit a NWC case) Pretty simple and straight forward swap.
I've read every thing about the tailhousing swap, so, I see what it's about It was just a shortcut. Well, by the way, I did not want to use a flat plate, but that's the "official" solution ... Looks pretty simple ... I've got the world cl*** box, so, I can use everything from it, input shaft, output shaft, etc ...
There is a guy here in Australia casting up a bellhousing for the 59A style flathead to late gearbox, it's alloy and like he has cut the front of a 39 box off, so it has the clutch fork rod just like standard. Maybe someone will chime in with contact details or PM Flatoz, he may know the guy.
why can't you modify the bellhousing you have? if some of the bolt holes don't fall somewhere on the bellhousing, then get some "ears" welded onto the bellhousing to allow you to bolt it up... If the center hole is the wrong size, have a machine shop enlarge the hole, or make an adapter ring if the hole is too big...
Well, the fact is : I have no bellhousing, except the one of the Camaro, that really won't go on the flat ... I had bought one, that was not the good one, so I sold it back to another guy who uses it. That's why I'm actually looking for a new one. And buying a new one, I'd have prefered to get the good one, if it existed ... But the story of my gearbox looks like it's not meant to be used on my car !
hi flatmilk..i live in sweden and ave had the same iscue..the first one a welded new ears on the ******,no problems .next one i bought adapter from speedway fore chevy boltpattern then welded on more materials and tapt it right...
I'm pretty surprised that no one makes the adapter for the early 24 studs flat to be used with a late Chevy T5. I believe that the one who would do it would make money. I may have an adapter specially made, I'll let you know !
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