The only reason I would leave the 350 in there is because its already there...a previous owner swapped it in. Not to mention where I said I would like to use an engine I already have. All of this is in the first post of the thread. Please try some reading comprehension. It will help keep you from looking like a bigger ass than you do now.
Sounds like you don't need to do anything. You are content with the chebby in the mopar and it already runs and now it doesn't smoke. Can't get more low budget than that. Buy some $4 dollar a gal. gas and drive it.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407574&highlight=413+truck http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326687&highlight=413+440 413 truck motors can be giant pain in the ass. Tons and tons of torque, rev like a diesel, heavy as hell, not much to be done for hop up unless you use the block and put all the 440 stuff on and in it. If you are street racing a motor home, the 413 is the perfect choice.
You want cheap right? Apparently the SBC ain't smokin anymore so ... fix the SBC installation (minimal dollars if you are capable of doing it yourself) and drive the damn thing. As for it being worthless at resale ... you bought it with a SBC didn't you? Why wouldn't someone else buy it?
I totally agree with borntoloze ,dont let any of these sbc haters steer you down a path just because its "another chevy motor".Who gives a crap, Its not the sbc thats the problem but the ones who do all the bla bla bla. The 327 in my 27 never says a word,and its painted ford blue just to piss off those chevy lovers. If you were to sell it it would probably be to some weasel who would flip it like so many of us have seen talking it up like its some baddass lt1.
If you can find one, a Cadillac 500 would be nice, unless maybe for mpg's (they are reasonably light though). And people can mistake them for Mopar engines at first glance
Wow, people still don't get it, you've emphasized the fact that you're not putting a 318 into it, or any other engine you don't have. Is your 413 an industrial motor with crazy heads and higher mounted water pump, or does it look just like the 440? I think some of the verbage is confusing some Mopar guys. The industrial RBs have different junk than the passenger car/light truck RBs. If it's a light truck motor, it's just like the passenger car version and all the good headers and intakes and such bolt right up. If the SBC is good and it's fine for now, is it "ain't broke don't fix it" or still planning on changing?
The 440 requires a complete rebuild but is standard bore. Thing got rusty inside. So its not going to be swapped. The 413 is a 413-3 industrial with the funky water pump and heads. It would however fit in the car and is a low rpm torque monster according to its ratings.... 265hp @3600 rpm 407 ft-lbs at 2400 rpm in 1972. They are known to be nearly indestructable, and get decent gas milage (12mpg is not uncommon in something the size, shape, and weight of your average barn). I have heard I can just bolt on a passenger car water pump and block the holes in the heads with freeze plugs, and then the engine will have the same coolant route as a standard passenger car motor, exept for the water crossover in the manifold. The 350 stopped smoking but the mounting is pretty bad. They mounted it really high and forward so they could use the stock mid 70's exhaust manifolds. The trans angle is pretty funky and there might be some serious driveline angle issues. I won't know until I take it for a drive faster than 10mph - which requires me to finish the disk brake conversion - I am waiting for rotors right now. Since it stopped smoking, I will probably leave it in there until the winter, when I can rebuild the 440 or just drop in the 413. Here the cops will pull the car off the road for "visible emmissions" and it was smoking like a coal fired train out the drivers side. Nice big blue clouds...
I'm pretty sure the heads and water pump from the 440 (or any standard B/RB) will fit the industrial engine, then you won't have a lot of unusual stuff to deal with when you go to install it. If it's from a motorhome for sure you should be good, but some industrial engines had reverse rotation. Also, some industrial engines had gear drives from the factory! If you do take it off, I've been told the wierd industrial stuff is of value to motorhome/big truck guys, especially the exhaust manifolds as they prone to cracking.
coming from the fella that wants to put a datsun in a model T.... all three choices are viable, it's weird to say things like you don't want to fix the sbc install but would be willing to redo it all for a 440 or 413, the sbc is the easiest and cheapest route. Obviously if you want a reliable driver whatever you use should get rebuilt the 440 with a 6 pack would get my vote as coolest of the 3 to put in a 57 plymouth
Man, what a choice, a good 413 or a 440!! WOW!! Either one oif those always gave me about 15mpg back in the day (in town, too). Plus, you'll have all the torque you will ever need. And the 8-3/4" rear MOPAR axles are the way to go. I'm getting ready to do a '55 Plaza 2-dr Wagon and am pretty sure I'm gonna use that 440 I have on the floor, and NOT the 318 that I also have. But... if you are looking for gas mileage, that 318 will probably give you 18 to 20 pretty easy. You hafta make up yur mind. WADDYA WANT to end up with? A HOTROD or a CRUISER?
I am happy with decent gas milage - I consider 15mpg decent. My late model truck only get a bit better than that! The big blocks are a bolt in - just have to buy the mounts. The SBC would require fabricating everything, including a new trans mount - a royal PITA on a torsion bar car like this one.
I had a Charger with 383/727/3:23s & got 17 on the road. With the gears mentioned earlier, you should do close, I'd think.
Hello, I know I'm off topic, but, I've not heard of "seafoaming" an engine, is that the same as "AJAXing" or "BON AMIing" or is there another technique that I've not heard of? Incidentally back on topic, 440 heads on the 413 sounds like the smart plan. If you want fuel economy, make sure your ratios are calculated for economy, not just as high a final drive ratio as possible, but actually match your max torque RPM to your most used road speed, you will be surprised at the difference that it makes, here in the UK mileage means so much more to us as a result of the price of fuel having been much higher than yours for so long, so we've got a lot of experience in this area. Another thing is don't take any chances with the torque convertor a worn or unsuitable unit will cost a lot of fuel economy. Regards Rick
Amazing how many times you have said you don't want a 318 etc. and still on and on And that you want torque, reasonable mileage, low budget and use what you have. And then there's always "The Great Brainwashed" who can't work on anything but or think past a Chebbie- AKA The Lemming Legion Why on earth would a non-brainwashed person want a Chebbie in a car like that? The 413 is low mileage, easy to install, and plenty of torque- and leaves the 440 for a future "fun" build, set up and thought out for mileage and torque- and far from boring
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