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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 32v, Sep 1, 2011.

  1. krooser
    Joined: Jul 25, 2004
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    I think the bad guy in all of this is the government... how is it that NAFTA was supposed to create a free trade zone without import/export fees within North America yet the Canadian government has the balls to keep stiffing the consumer?

    Bitching on the HAMB will do little.... get on you representatives in Parliament.

    I have always used the Canadian postal system to ship my Ebay stuff... declaring it a 'gift' also helps...
     
  2. slammed
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    My God , Ray you really are 'cerebral'. Nothing is free. That is the point of the OP. Grading the writing and grammar is pompous.
     
  3. Hnstray
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    Krooser............well stated and accurate !

    Ray
     
  4. Hnstray
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    Where did I 'grade' writing and grammar ?

    The OP apparently THINKS there should be free things......my take is that he is merely lamenting that some things aren't (the things that do cost but he does not value). My point is that is an unrealistic expectation.

    Ray
     
  5. bct
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    fuck u.p.s.....gougers.

    hnstray ...you don't have a clue.
     
  6. Racewriter
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    I have unfortunately had to make the decision to only ship within the United States because of all of the problems associated with international shipping.
     
  7. Well..... it's really QUITE REASONABLE when you consider they damage or lose 40% of what they handle. :rolleyes: Dont get me goin' on those ass clowns.
     
  8. Great analogy!
     
  9. Von Rigg Fink
    Joined: Jun 11, 2007
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    Nope i completely undersand how we all are getting fucked and when i say "All" i mean the shipping Companies too..i totally get it.
    all im saying is if we keep taking it up the ass than we deserve what we get. Mom said if you dont open your mouth and say something, than you got no room to bitch when it lands in your lap
    same goes for this countries ruling class , keep pushing..dont cry when the push back comes is all im saying.

    if you let the system run amuck it will..when your paying 2x what you did for 1/2 of what you get,,theres a dam limit..no F-ing excuses
     
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2011
  10. 32v
    Joined: May 20, 2007
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    from v.i.

    i did not say things should be free. ups are crooks period you get a $100 part, brokerage fee is $20 you get a $1000 part brokerage fee $100 it takes the same effort and time to clear both items. in canada it is actually against the canada border services rules for ups to chg for brokerage. you can clear your own at the nearest customs office i have my parts del to blaine and shipped to victoria .go to airport and clear customs right there
    cost for flight to victoria $18.00
     
  11. The Big M
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    I think the main issue is not that UPS charges for the brokerage service, but rather that as consumers we are supposed to have the option to self-clear but that isn't made clear at the outset. And we typically don't know how much the brokerage fee will be until after the item arrives. Here's an article I found on the subject:

    http://trueler.com/2010/09/13/ups-brokerage-fees-total-scam-fraud-cheating-avoid-it/

    Beware though, in my experience in attempting this method, the UPS representative will insist that you need to be at the port of entry in person in order to self-clear. But according to the article that's false, and you should be able to forward the paperwork through any customs office. And for me the nearest one is only a short drive away, but since the item entered Canada via Vancouver I ended up paying the brokerage.

    I think it's the confusion regarding the system and the lack of information available to us as consumers that causes all this frustration. Perhaps "scam" is harsh and our anger is misdirected, because as krooser stated the issue really stems from government policy.
     
  12. EnglishBob
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    Get it delivered Stateside,drive down to and across the border to pick it up.
    No brokerage/duty and in most cases now no G.S.T.
     
  13. Truckedup
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    Welcome to Capitalism:D
     
  14. Unkl Ian
    Joined: Mar 29, 2001
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    UPS "Insurance " typically won't cover anything they didn't package, and doesn't cover "Antiques" as in Antique Car Parts.

    Their track record on packing valuables is less than inspiring.
     
  15. Unkl Ian
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    Canadian Post Office insurance is included, "free" up to $100 value.
    UPS insurance is NOT free, and not included.
     
  16. I live on an island,shipping can get expensive but I have found a way to bypass the brokers. I have my American friends ship to Seattle (sometimes I get free shipping in the US) There is a ferry that goes to Victoria from Seattle that will take cargo for a reasonable rate When it arrives, I go around the corner to Canada Customs pay my tax (no duty on vintage car parts).A little more legwork but no brokerage fees.
     
  17. Truckedup
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    It appears the first 100 bucks is,then 75 cents per each additional 100 bucks
    From the UPS website;

    Declared Value
    Gain peace of mind when shipping your domestic and international packages
    Description UPS's liability is limited to US$100.00 on packages with no declared value. If the value of your goods exceeds US$100.00, you can declare a higher value, up to US$50,000.00 per package, by entering the declared value in the UPS shipping system used and paying an additional charge.
     
  18. 49ratfink
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    from California

    I'm not seeing any HOT RODs here.:confused:
     
  19. Peter Mc Mahon
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    Thanks Big M. Good stuff there.
     
  20. You are really not listening to what people are saying. No one is complaining that they charge the fees, it is the amount they charge. I don't want the service for free but I do want a competitive price for the service they provide. When they are charging 5 to 6 times what every other shipping company charges then they are ripping people off plain and simple and this is the reason why I and everyone I know refuse to get anything shipped from the US by UPS unless there is absolutley no other choice.
     
  21. 6inarow
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    get off the fence and tell us how you feel
     
  22. firingorder1
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    That's Unkl Ian at Sunday church most polite. You wouldn't want to hear how he really feels.
     
  23. UPS conimg in to Canada, brokerage fees on anything. UPS going into the US, brokerage fees on anything over $200 until recently. I also have had customers complain of bills after they had already paid me for shipping. They didn't pay. Also, insurance on used auto parts is redundant as they don't cover used auto parts, so save your insurance money. UPS coming into Canada sucks. I always use Canada Post office for goods coming from the US or I shop where I can use it. I have shipped UPS for years with my business and yes, they do suck. Pat
     
  24. 6inarow
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    Well, you got my curiosity up. Now I actually would like to hear how he really feels.
     
  25. nickleone
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  26. krooser
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    Spend a day in a package car drivers shoes and I think you would have a little friendlier attitude toward those guys and gals...
     
  27. nickleone
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    "in delaware, if you open a case with the insurance commisioner, by law they are not allowed to sell insurance in delaware till the case is resolved. think of the loss of profit per day if they cant sell the so called insurance "

    Skidmarks,
    I am in the shipping business. UPS does not sell INSURANCE. They sell DECLARED VALUE COVERAGE. There is a big legal difference. UPS has a seperate company that covers the DECLARED VALUE side of the business.

    Nick
    http://www.packandship.biz<!-- / message -->
     
  28. nickleone
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    Skidmarks,
    You dont buy INSURANCE, correct. The UPS corporate arangement has a seperate corp. under UPS that handles the DECLARED VALUE coverage. Since it is not INSURANCE they can sell DECLARED VALUE COVERAGE in any state.

    Nick
     
  29. Plus you can add more insurance if the part is worth more for not much more money , a few bucks.
     
    Last edited: Sep 2, 2011

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