V belt pulleys for SBF???

i just yanked the motor out of my '54 ford and i'm swapping in a new one. i have a '92 or so 302 with the later style 4 bolt balancer an i'm trying to find a crank pulley so i can run my alternator in the stock '68-ish location. any ideas?

 

Lots of luck. We've been looking at all the swap meets we go to. 100's of sbc but no sbf for 302's, some 3 bolts thou.

 

Had the same problem when I put in a 302 ford to replace older 289 in our 49 Mercury. V belt pulleys

Gave up and got a set of March pulleys. Price was high but no choice.

Check out their web site as it may help you see what you need.

 

salvage yards has them and there not to costly and I think you can still order them through ford. There are many 302 ford engines out there and you can also check out Craigs list.

 

I bought this one formy application

http://www.cvfracing.com/Ford-Crank-Pulley-Small-Block-2V-4-Bolt-289-WP-p/sbfs2cr.htm

 

if that was a serpentine belt engine remember the water pump is reverse rotation of a vbelt engine

 

You need to stop over to the 52 to 56 group ! There is a good discussion about that same problem I am having . I have a 1984 - sbf I am installing in my 55 Ford and want V belt pulleys . I did find ONE place that has what we are both looking for .
Here is a link to check out on #5 post -- http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303600

Here is the post I did and if you read it you will have the place and comments the other left for me on this very issue we are having with finding V Belt Pulleys . http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=24233

If you find some that I don't know about , please send me a PM and let me know .
I have also just thought about using the 3 serpentine pulleys but I need the water pump pulley with the grooves in it . There isn't one made . I was told I can just use the 3 pulley set and I don't need the grooved water pump pulley but I can't be sure .
I hope someone can help us both !

Retro Jim

 

i found the march kit. i think its #1615. 220 bucks.

i looked at the cvf site and it looks like the sbfs1 kit comes in at 140 bucks.

gonna make a call when they're open.

 

The problem with the pulleys in the salvage yards is that the early 289/302 pulleys are 3 bolt hole and the mid 70's pulleys are a 4 bolt hole BUT the holes are closer together than the ones the regular rotating water pumps we have to use . It just not that easy . I have a box full of SBF grooved pulleys and I can't use any of them on my 1984 engine . Nothing lines up and is just a mess . Ford had a few different water pumps with different rotation , different hole pattern and different lengths , so it's hard to get something that fits unless you have a pre 1972 engine . I know I can drill new hole but the pulleys are too big and hit each other .
I hope someone can come up with an answer , if not I will find out from CVS Racing which pulleys will work on my set up . They sell them on E bay and through their web site .
Thanks for all the suggestions so far !

Retro Jim

 

ok...
so help me out here.

i did some research and it seems that i can just buy a balancer for the late motor that has the early height and 3 hole pattern. is that right?

if thats the case, i can just use my stock pulleys, no?

 

As long as the balancer is 50 oz.,then yes. You cant use a 28 oz. balancer on a late model sbf. Experts chime in here.

 

Check this one out....should fit your application as it comes with the 50 oz weight. and fits both 3 and 4 bolt crank pulley

http://www.mustangsplus.com/xcart/5...monic-Balancer-w-Removable-Counterweight.html

 

alteredpilot, I dropped a '94 302 with AOD in my avatar car. Going from a serpentine system to a "v" belt pulley system is a headache. The pulley I used sucessfully is stamped D5UE-6312-A3A and measures 8' overall diameter and 3' overall depth. Inner belt sheave is 1/2" width and 6 5/8" outer diameter. Center belt sheave is 3/8" width and 8" outside diameter. Outer belt sheave is 1/2" width and 7 3/8" diameter. I needed this particular crank 3-groove pulley because my avatar car has Mustg II pwr rack and pinion steering. Outer pulley groove serves no purpose yet. I had to fabricate brackets and spacers. I did resort to buying a cvfracing aluminum bi**et (ugh) Bracket for the ps pump. Hope this helps.

 

this is what i'm looking at

 

HI guys,

A couple of things.

We are a small speed shop that specializes in FoMoCo performance.
Predominantly old school.

We have most 3 bolt crank and multi groove chrome pulleys on hand.

We also have very inexpensive zero, 28, or 50 oz balancers that are set up for innie or outie pulleys with both 3 or 4 bolt hole patterns. Under $100

Call or e-mail anytime.

Alex

 

You can buy a aftermarket balancer from any catalog in a 3 or 4 bolt pattern in a 50 oz . The problem is , I have a 50 oz 4 bolt balancer and I am having the same problem you are having ! The balancer size doesn't have anything to do with it as long as it's a 50 oz weight . The problem is the pulleys and the water pump is the main problem pulley . I also have the standard rotation water pump . CVS Racing has a 3 pulley set for about $130 and up , BUT you need to know which water pump you have . You need to measure how long the snout is and then order the correct pulley . Best to call CVS racing and talk with them . That is what I am going to do when I get some money together to buy them . I have given up on the idea of using steel pulleys . I will just paint mine black to look like steel . I don't like billet but have no choice !

Retro Jim

 

That is like the crank balancer I have from Summit .
It's the pulleys that are the problem !

Retro Jim

 

Got a web site where we can see what you have ?

Retro Jim

 

march pulley on my 302 as well

 

www.moneymakerracing.net

 

He also asked about swapping the balancer, hence the link I gave him. This way he can use his 3 bolt crank pulley. I had this exact setup on my 347 stroker until I went with a Fluidampener balancer and 4 bolt v-belt crank pulley. Your right about the reverse rotation water pump, though. I think he needs to find out what he has before he buys anything.

 

I have a standard rotation pump (65-69)

 

Ford really makes it tough to change stuff over because every couple of years they change things to where they won't interchange. Pulleys are one of those areas. I would call Runne Rite and see what they have, they sold Ford Racing a lot of their stuff and still make a lot of it yet.

When we changed over the roller cam 302 in my Kids T Bucket from serpentine to V belt we had a hell of a time finding pulleys to fit. We had more money in shipping because we would get some in and they wouldn't line up, so we had to keep trying different setups.

March is right down the road from us but they were zero help and wouldn't even let me come to their place to show them what I needed.

Don

 

Don , You are right about the different pulleys changes Ford made . I am going thought the same thing right now . If March wouldn't even do that , why would they think we would use or recommend their products to anyone now with that kind of at***ude ! The ones from CVS Racing look to be really well made and just as nice as March without having to pay for the name ! I just thought of something , has anyone tried BBK to see if they have anything to use ? I did find a serpentine 3 pulley set up one time on Ebay but can't find it anymore . The set was a 3 pulley set up and was used in a standard rotation set up just like a V belt . I thought that would be a lot better since the serpentine belt will last longer .
As for water pumps , they are cheap enough to replace to make sure you have the correct one !
Just a thought .

Retro Jim

 

Didn't Ford make a few cars in the '80's( crown vics and a few trucks) with standard rotation pumps and 3-belt serpentine pulleys. I remember reading about mustang and falcon guys using them on their early mills just for the serpentine setup. As for alteredpilot, since he has a standard rotation pump, then the v-belt pulley kit from cvf racing (or from moneymaker) should be all he'll need.

 

The early 3 bolt crank pullies uses the same bolt circle as the 4 bolt pullies do. I've done a few redrills on old 3 bolt pullies to make them a 4 bolt, you can also redrill a 3 bolt pattern on a 4 bolt pulley (I've done a couple of those also).

 

The other MAJOR difference that I didn't see mentioned in this thread is that the majority of 3-bolt crank pulleys and ***ociated water pump pulleys will only work with a water pump with the lower inlet on the P***ENGER side. Every Ford 302/351 starting in 1970 has the lower inlet on the DRIVERS side. 1970 is also the year they switched to the 4 bolt balancer and crank pulley and revised every other pulley and accessory bracket as well. The only application to retain the three bolt crank pulley after 1970 was in Econolines and some trucks, hence the D5UE number I saw someone post earlier (D5UE translates to 1975 Econoline). The other crazy thing that happened with the change in 1970 is that now the innermost crank groove drives the water pump and power steering pump, and the second crank groove ran the alternator. Nobody seems to mention that too often, but that'll trip you up too if you're not paying attention. Almost all of the water pump pulleys after 1970 were single groove. There were only a few applications that used a single four bolt crank pulley, one of them being a 1970 Boss 302 without power steering, so needless to say those are pricey IF you can find one. And you need the shallower water pump pulley to match, because remember most of the WP pulleys worked in conjunction with power steering, not the alternator.

The solution? Pick a year and hold true to it. Too many times I've had someone come in here and tell me they need a pulley or bracket for a '65 289, but neglect to tell me that the water pump they got from autozone is for an '85 302. For those wanting the cleanest, simplest, easiest, cheapest setup, pick a '66 Mustang. Here's a recipe: Flat faced 3-bolt or multipattern balancer, water pump with a p***enger side inlet, single groove crank and water pump pulley (used or aftermarket, many out there) and an alternator bracket kit (readily available). This will work better than Tylenol, trust me. And if you're still not sure, gimme a call, I have it all in stock.

Garrett
Mustangs, Etc.
Van Nuys, CA
(818) 787-7634
www.mustangsetc.com

 

X2 edselwagon. I bought a bunch of pulleys off ebay and at the swap meets. Finally got a system bolted up and belts aligned and enough clearance. As stated earlier, the 4 bolt crank pulley D5UE-8509-AA, I got from a seller on ebay who stated it fit 1975-80 Ford F150, 250, Torino, TBird, Ranchero, Cougar 302-351W. Three groove crank pulley for a/c and ps.
The water pump pulley is DAE-8509-AA. The water pump has lower inlet on the driver's side. The ps pump required the alternator to be mounted on the p*** side..easy to do with a chrome Transdapt alt bracket from summit. CVF racing had the ps pump and pulley I needed. Yes, you do need to factor in overdriven and underdriven when it comes to pulleys of different sizes. An engineer at Saginaw, after reading my pulley diameters, said my ps pump was overdriven by about 10% and that the ps pump is designed for up to 6500 rpm...so if I keep the rpm under 5900 rpm everything should be alright. So do the math choosing pulleys.

 

Congrats on getting them to line up! Any belt squeal with your setup? I can see the mismatch in your pictures, the water pump pulley (part number should read "D1AE-8509-AA") and inner crank groove are meant for the 1/2" wide power steering pump belt (the alt and second crank groove are for a 3/8" belt)

 

I had better luck finds 4 hole pullies on 351s. I used a set off a 70s pickup.