Cant sell or buy titles?

Ok,HAMB...Whats the deal?...Why all of the sudden cant people buy or sell ***les?The HAMB has always been a good place to find a ***le,that helps people when they have nowhere else to go.Im not trying to be a smart ***,im just curious.

 

'cause it is illegal? you should only buy historical do***ents.

 

read the post again... no historical do***ents either. any of it is illegal and also not a smart way to ***le your ride.... but in this case it appears people were getting burned.

 

highly illegal

 

Yeah, ruins lives like illegal drugs.

 

I guess maybe you need to sell a T axle with correct ***le??

 

every month we have another stolen car thread and you want to know why selling ***les that don't go with the car is frowned upon?

 

It's a good way to lose your ride. Imagine this: you put all sorts of sweat equity and dollars into your ride. You buy a ***le for it. Your bought ***le turns out to be of a stolen vin. They take the ride you built. Since buying a ***le is illegal, how do you explain that?

Hey officer- this guy stole all my cocaine. Arrest him!

 

glad i never bought a ***le online. LOL

 

i dont buy cars without ***les.

 

Guys i understand where your coming from,but this has gone on for years.I dont see where the HAMB can be held responsble,for what people do with ***les,historical do***ents,or Bill of Sales.All of us have been to swap meets and seen tables full of ***les for sale.Now i can see why this could be a issue if the HAMB could be held lible,but are they?Im not trying to be smart***,i just like to know.To me the HAMB has alway been a place learn,to share,to p*** on the traditions of the past.To me this is like taking another AMERICAN Freedom away...we already have too much of that!

 

duying any car or body without checking the numbers with the propper authorities is just not wise in this computerized age.....

 

The HAMB isnt a cl***ifieds site - It is a Hot rod and Custom site! Cl***ifieds are just icing on the cake. Be grateful for what the cl***ifieds have to offer and quit complaining.

I like hot rods

 

and while your talking about ***les sold seperate some ***les ive seen have vin numbers that dont match the age of car they are supposed to be for

 

Bang on!

 

Its getting so bad with the economy you better be sure the paperwork matches the car. Had a buddy do the stupid buy a ***le ****. Got registered with the state using his project. Got pulled over in Georgia for speeding. Paperwork came back as stolen car. Cops impounded the car and it cost him some bucks to get out. He moved shortly after that. Don't know what happened to the car. Everybody thinks scammers came with the internet,they have been here long before that.

 

Regrardless of how you feel about historical do***ents, it seems to be that they (the mods) were having problems with people getting burned. It seemed to me it wasn't about any legal liabiltiy fear. But I could be wrong...

 

All ive done is ask a (?),and im not complaning...but im willing to bet there is alot more people that have bought ***les on here.

 

In the past I have sold ***les. I OWNED the vehicles and s****ped them, keeping the ID plates and some bits of the car to authenticate them. I know it's not a big deal if the builder is building the entire vehicle at that point, but a guy that sells a ***le ought to know the whole life and be able to prove it if they're going to play the ***le game. Buying a ***le from someone the ***le is not registered to is out of my scope.

I am currently trying to figure out how to ***le a vehicle that is being offered to me without a ***le.... I haven't been able to get a VIN from the vehicle yet. When I do, I will run the VIN and see if it comes back stolen or just "out of service". It helps to have a friend who can do the look up for me, but it certainly is a first line of defense for yourself (Whomever you may be) to check the vehicle and/or ***le out thoroughly before buying.

 

So what do you people suggest for states that require a ***le? Don't even say ***le companies, that's a scam if there ever has been one. I live in Tennessee and if you don't have a ***le, you don't get a tag. Period! I know alot of states are the same. No way around it.

What are some logical answers to this problem?

 

Wisconsin will issue you a ***le after an inspection, and oh yeah, after you pay them the sales tax based on what they decide to value your vehicle at.

 

I think its great that they finally put a stop to selling ***les. I am in Missouri and there are proper ways to get a ***le to anything. It just takes effort on the builders part.

 

The bottom line is this...It is against the law to swap ***les. You guys might get cute with the wording, saying you are buying "historical do***ents", but when you put those "historical do***ents" together with a car they didn't originally belong to, it's a crime. I'm not a cop, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't have a dog in this fight. There are legal ways to do this, though. In KS, for antiques, you just need a state bill of sale /transfer of ownership form that you can get at your local treasures office, and a $15.00 VIN inspection performed by your local sherrifs office (post 1948). Research your own state, it might be just as easy....and it sure as hell is more legal.

 

im thinking the hamb is just trying to save our ***es from getting burned, maybe some people have legit ***les but if it illegal then its illegal

 

I have always done it in the most up and up legal way possible.
that being said the only people that can answer that question is your state DMV.
Most have dedicated ***le divisions and it can usually be as simple as finding the right person (manager) and asking the individual states requirements.

I have been told that in Nevada on a historic vehicle with no ***le all I needed to do was what they called a four state VIN search.
I would need to send certified letters to each of the main DMV's in each of my closest 4 bordering states to verify the existence of ***le for the particular VIN on my car.
If I received a response from any given state I would have to address the issues there prior to ***ling in my state.
If I did not receive a response from anyone after a certain amount of time or any of the letters were returned Nevada would issue me a ***le for that VIN.

There is always a way if you are willing to wait and play the game by their rules. Plus it usually is a much better pay off.

N8

 

I think that is a real smart move. I'm no lawyer, But I think by allowing people to sell ***les you are helping to facilitate illegal activites. Whether you are liable or not it's best to nip it in the **** BEFORE it becomes a problem for you or the board.

 

I understand where your coming from Ryan,and thank you for your answer.But if thats a legal issue,what about a person selling a blower for a car,thats not legal to drive on the street,but its ok to sell them on the HAMB,or slicks,zoomies,and who knows how many other things.What about car or truck bodies?We cant buy a ***le,but we can buy a body without a ***le?Whats the difference?Im not trying to start drama(BEEN THERE),i just want a honest discussion on the subject...THANK YOU!

 

Two totally different things. First of all it is NOT illegal to run a blower on the street, there are even legal set ups for late model cars, plus then are used on race cars - no one said that the **** sold on here had to be for street cars. Slicks etc are racing parts - there is a legal use for them. It's not illegal to sell a body either as long as it is not stolen.
***les that are being sold have one purpose, to ILLEGALLY ***le a car that for whatever reason does not have the original ***le anymore. It's a felony and I don't want to hear any BS about how you're gonna frame it and hang it on the wall. I'm not even sure That is legal!

 

I had a frame for sale, a potential buyer asked if it came with a ***le....(no)
I asked a guy with a Model A body for sale if he had a ***le for it...
If I buy an engine should I get a ***le with it? Or a rear axle, or a steering column?
How about you advertise "car part for sale with ***le?" (A hubcap, maybe?)
Interesting read:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/buying/buy102.htm