Cant sell or buy titles?

Ryan,I'm with you 100% on this, selling ***les is and always has been highly illegal. I don't know about other states, but in Washington there are several ways to address the no ***le issue legally.

 

Yes some blowers are legal on the street,but do you think a cop is not going to pull over a guy with a 871 blower that blocks his windsheild,try it in my neighborhood,and see how fast your car is inpounded.And how do you know, if that body without a ***le is not stolen? Or somebody selling the parts off of a stolen car.Its all the same thing.Buyer Beware...Lets keep this going,i really want to know how people feel about this...

 

FWIW, SEMA can help you all: http://www.semasan.com/page.asp?content=***ling&g=semaga

Also, FWIW, back in the day the only number that mattered was the one on the frame. As an example, the F1 cab is merely a replacement part. Same with the engine.

 

Its a free forum and the moderators and administrator do not want that type of transaction taking place on the this particular site. That is enough for me. There are plenty of other car enthusiast sites that allow this type of thing, shouldn't hinder your use or perception of the HAMB. Life, and illegal ***le transactions will go on, just not on this site. No skin off my back. That is my thought.

 

Dang,OP you got your anxwer then you come back with stupid **** about parts ***les. This thread is just plain over with.

 

I don't know what the answer is either. We have been dealing with this issue for years. I do know that nearly every state around me does not require a ***le on a car over 25 years old (I think). The responses that have been given I'm sure are legit, but before the end of the response it says "My state will work with you on GETTING a ***le".

There should be a big sign in the lobby of the DMV here that says... "No ***le, No tag". Tennessee does not recognize the registration laws of ANY state that does not require a ***le. No amount of do***entation will provoke them to issue you a ***le, regardless if that vehicle has been tagged, registered, and insured in another state. So basically, if you find your dream car and can't produce a ***le.... It's a museum piece. Unless you are willing to bend the rules. Indiana, Ohio, Florida, and Illinois are the same from what I've been told. I'm sure others too.

If every state was as strict, I'm SURE we would be reading different opinions on how to get tags on your Hot Rod.

I wouldn't live anywhere else, (other than Hawaii ) but the registration and emission laws here ****. Even on the newer vehicles, it's ridiculous.

If it was as easy as mentioned above to get a ***le and tags for your car, the ***le sales business would not exist. We all know it, right or wrong, legal or illegal.

 

While it is highly illegal in every state I checked, it is also a prime avenue for someone to use the board to rip people off.

What happens if you buy a ***le or ***les from a dude who never ships them. What is your recourse? You sure can't go file a complaint anywhere.

I don't know what the answer is but if you are looking to the HAMB to solve all of life's puzzles, you're probably gonna be disappointed.

 

Thank you Ryan and Thank you Curious Rash,i understand and i repect the HAMBS stance on this...All im trying to say is wheres this stop at,what if next week 10 people buy project bodies off the HAMB and there all stolen.Does the HAMB stop allowing bodies to be sold?Same goes for any vehicle thats bought off the HAMB that are stolen.Does that mean the HAMB stops its cl***ified section all together?And again im not trying to start any drama,i really enjoy all the comments,even the negative ones...I think for the most part,you guys do a great job.....and by the way Curious Rash ive sold you some exhaust tips before in the past,hope you remember me....

 

It's not illegal to sell car parts, no matter what the intended end use for those parts is. We can't help if people sell stolen items here. We have no way of knowing they are stolen unless someone lets us know. It's happened before, someone lists things that don't belong to them, someone else lets us know the deal, we remove the ad, ban the person depending on cir***stances.

***les are different. It's illegal and we know it.

 

I think that most states offer a way to get a project ***led if there is none had.
In Oregon, they ***ign a vin number with a sticker that you put on the door jamb.
If you are lucky they will ***le it with a year that resembles what your building, in some cases they ***le it as the year your register it in.
The incentive for someone to get an old ***le and use it for their new project is to "guarantee" it to be ***led as a year and vin that matches what their car depicts.
Generally on resale, it looks better to have a model A coupe with a 28 to 31 ***le and a VIN that is one that is used from Henry.
Having one that says 2011 ***embled will, in some cases devalue the car.

That being said, I have never bought a ***le, but know others that have, even recently.

I 100% agree with the hamb dis allowing the sales of this "literature."
Up front everyone knows it is illegal, why allow it, it is just bad business.

I think it is a great thread to hear others opinions on it however, I am glad the OP brought it up and I think the mods have expressed there opinions clearly and shouldn't get any grief about it.

 

here in colorado i was at a buddies house watching a state trooper affix a brand new vin plate to his car. (28 willys)
a few minutes later i watched that same cop confi****e a ***le he knew and could prove was fraudulent.
one guy was a happy camper
one had a very expensive pile of parts it was illegal to drive.
i'll be damned if i will put myself in that position.

 

sounds like a lousy neighbor hood for rodders..as for how we feel I personaly feel like this is a lot to do about nothing .IT'S illeagel. THE END. ( just my feelings.)

 

Maybe you might have to wonder where these guys that steal cars get ***le's for em. Maybe

 

Cars are not going to stop getting stolen just because a message board decided not to allow historical do***ent sales. It's not fair to link the two acts, stealing cars and selling ***les.

There are often times that the original paperwork is simply lost after decades of different owners. It can happen pretty easy, someone signs a ***le for a car project they bought, but never get it transferred. Then one day they change their mind or need some quick money so they sell the project, and the new owner has a car without a ***le, or a useless piece of paper with someones signature. Fast forward a few more years and that ***le they were going to track down and correct gets misplaced. Mistakes happen. I personally have no qualm with historical do***ents. If they help get an otherwise hopeless case back on the road, good deal.

It's just like the gun debate, it's not the weapon but the person.

 

Great point 35 Dodge Hot Rod,thats what im trying to say.As much as i respect the opinions and policy of the mods,this is a (Questions and Suggestions Tread) i truly believe that a few bad apples have ruined a good thing at the HAMB.

 

I can respect the HAMB having to stop this but what about the Model A's? Are they all illegal if they don't have the original motor? Most of the frames have either been modified or the numbers on the frame are no longer clear. Does this mean any A without the 4 has to get a builder's ***le?

 

Nice point Coolbreeze1340...