Does anyone know other companies that offer all the little parts and pieces that Kinsler has in their e-catalog? Kinsler isn't exactly the easiest to get a hold of and I'm more or less trying to set a budget not make purchases right now to setup the linkage on my 8 stack injection. Mcmaster has pillow blocks, solid ground shaft, small rod ends, ect...but I'm looking for all the little levers(throttle arms) and what not. I imagine someone else must make those spring loaded shaft links that allow for some misalignment and well as rotation adjustment, but I can't find anything. I did find a link to Kinsler catalog for those interested... http://www.kinsler.com/Cat_32_Pgs/Cat32_Linkage_PgsSm.pdf Now I could sit on the mill and cut the arms and links but I think they are much more pretty when they are cnc. So anyone know of another supplier for this hard to find stuff? Thanks
I was hoping to find some kind of industrial warehouse place that has the stuff. I can't figure out other applications for this stuff but it seems that there has to be something.
Enderlie has a bunch and are reasonable or i can fix you up as i have a good inventory - it is new stuff, if you want the period correct bronze castings etc i don't have them but i have the splined stainless shafts, R&L threaded hex links for the adjustable 10-32 hiems, the heims, the arms, pillow blocks etc. PM me with what you think you need or the type injectors and i might be able to fix you right up.
i found McMaster Carr.and typed in joint & a lot of stuff showed up. http://www.mcmaster.com/#ball-joint-rod-ends/=f5q4bw here's Enderlie's link too:: http://www.goodvibesracing.com/Enderle_Products.htm
Kinsler is the only place I've ever seen the "shaft splitters" http://www.goodvibesracing.com/ http://www.fuelinjectionent.com/ You can buy hex stock,rod ends and taps at any decent machine or bearing supply house.
Speedy Bill... Search sprint car/midget, then engine. They carry the arms, heims, bellcranks, mousetrap springs, etc. Kinsler is not the place to buy anything if you are looking to save money. Great quality and service, yes. Budget, no.
thanks guys! OJ, I will deff send you a pm shortly. Got my blower and my throttle bodies mocked up. Just got to dream up and build an adapter.
the throttle bodies are off a 1000 cbr honda motorcycle. so I can leave them cable operated and make a jackshaft that joints the two cable from both sides and allows for the cable from the pedal to attach -or- get rid of the cables off the throttle bodies and try to get the spring load shaft joiners that allow for misalignment and try and come up with a linkage. If I do this I'd have to cut the pieces that mount each pair together which means the adapter plate will provide the alignment. the throttle bodies are circular on the bottoms without a flange as they originally were held by rubber booties. so I've through about welding flanges on the bottom but I'm scared to heat them up and warp them. So I think I'm going to machine aluminum cups with set screws and o-rings to seal. Then weld these to some kind of adapter. Thoughts?
Now thats interesting! Those from a caddy? Is that a 'left hand' blower or something? Looks backwards. That looks like it has potential to me, thanks for posting the pics oj
I posted too quick, what cfm are the throttle bodies rated for? If for a motorcycle they may not be big enough. And the software? blower motors love idle fuel, gots to have a lot of that, so can you tune them? I still like it.
I'm not sure what cfm they flow. They are 44mm. I'm kinda going the hillbilly way around it and just saying its enough. If I knew the pressures and stuff I could try and calculate a cfm but Im just not sure how much cfm this engine is going to want. The engine it's going on a 346 flathead Cadillac that will rev to 4000rpm and makes 150hp stock. So +5psi of boost and a more aggressive cam I was hoping for 220hp or so. The stock bike injectors flow 56 horsepower each at 40psi. I won't be running fuel rails but running a fuel log and individual -4 or -6 lines out to each injector. Those paper templates are for pieces aluminum that will be cut and engraved to hold the injectors down and hold the injector hats on them so -an lines can be attached. Software will be mega squirt. I wont be timing the injectors, they will be run TBI style so that the mixture is even going into the blower. I already have the dist done using a early 90's gm dist in a cut down caddy adapter. Hooking up the mega squirt to the gm dist is trivial. I think the blower is one of the backwards ones. When I rebuild I think its as simple as flipping the rotors in the case.
nothing is set in stone either, so if anyone has any concerns or comments I'd sure like to hear them!
Believe it or not, you are looking at about 450cfm for EACH bbl. So if the engine isn't IR (which it won't be with the blower) you could look at it like a 3600cfm carb. Should be enough! You won't have the big carb blues with the injection though, just a TOUCHY throttle. I don't see any real easy way of retaining the pull cables, unless you ran them both to a remote pull block mounted somewhere convenient.
I was figuring it was plenty, that just re***ures me. Thanks. Running the pull cables to a remote shaft with the cable rotors seems to be the easiest way to activate them. That way the cable "rolls up on its self" instead of having the room for a 2 in/1 out pull block. The less I modify these throttle bodies the better I feel, I don't want to end up making them stick. to combat the touchy throttle I was planning to use an elliptical, not constant/expanding radius rotor that the pedal cable hooks to the remote shaft. Some newer cars use this on cable driven TBs. As the radius increases it should grab more and more throttle and hopefully allow me to still slam it WOT but have a controllable throttle off idle. just a btw, for an idle circuit I was planning on using a late model gm or honda(civic) idle air control. mega squirt can monitor idle speed and change the flow rate of the valve for a closed loop idle circuit. pretty neat.
I figured the CBR would have already had snails (elliptical pulls) on the throttles. Can you get the CBR intake manifolds? Would be a lot easier start for mounting those clamp on TBs. I believe some of those brand "H" cars used an inline IAC valve. that would be pretty slick and easy to hide...
nope, cbr is constant radius at the TB and at the grip. Snail is an easy way to define it, thanks hahah. I'm new at all this learning as I go. the cbr "manifolds" are hard rubber boots that bolt to the head and clamp around the base of the throttle body. I see it working like this- cup that has a step in the wall. The TB sits ontop the step. Between the cup step and TB is an oring. The TB has a machined taper grove. I can purposly drill set screws a bit too low in the cup, say .010" so that when the set screws are tighten onto that taper groove of the TB they "pull" the tb's further in ontop of the oring. another idea is to take an aluminum tube and slit it and turn the end into a clamp, then put an o-ring on that tapered groove on the TB and tighten it up. This way has more visible hardware and the slit on the end will be hard to seal.
yep block is getting cleaned by the machine shop right now. Then its off for a valve job, polish and double key the crank, reground cam and solid lifters.
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