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61 389 Crankshaft Change

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by gmil60, Dec 29, 2011.

  1. gmil60
    Joined: Sep 18, 2011
    Posts: 39

    gmil60
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    Dear Members,
    I am in the process of rebuilding my 61 Bonnevilles 389 Engine. I want to change the rotating asymbley and make it a 421. The car has a Hydramatic transmission with the taraus/ hydro coupler rather then a converter. I am having a problem locating a aftermarket forged crank with the correct bolt circle and spacing for the non ring gear flex plate which is used on the 61 Engine. I would appreciate any help or guidance with this project. I want to keep the Hydramatic transmission.

    Best Regards
    Gmil60
     
  2. INJUNTOM
    Joined: Jun 11, 2006
    Posts: 548

    INJUNTOM
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    The best guy to talk to is Steve Barcek at Pontiac Heaven - HAMB member "applekrate". He's into the early stuff, and has a lot of sources.
     
  3. You might have a problem with the crank as the 421 unit has 1/4" larger main bearing journals.Not sure how much of an overbore it will accept but .060" will give you 414 c.i.IIRC.
     
  4. INJUNTOM
    Joined: Jun 11, 2006
    Posts: 548

    INJUNTOM
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    The large journal is not much of an issue, and can be machined down to work, but the flywheel bolt pattern may be a problem.

    You can buy a new aftermarket 455 (4.21") stroke crank to drop right into the small main blocks for sure, and possibly even a 421/428 (4.0") stroke crank.

    Check with Steve on the bolt pattern.
     
  5. xlr8
    Joined: Jun 26, 2006
    Posts: 700

    xlr8
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    from Idaho

    The Roto-hydramatic will not stand up to the 421 engine, I'd get a post '63 block and better transmission.
     
  6. gmil60
    Joined: Sep 18, 2011
    Posts: 39

    gmil60
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    Thank you all for your help, I just sent the flex plate to Butler Performance so they can match it up to aftermarket stroker crank. xlr8, I asked this question on the Pontiac Peformance Forum regarding durability of the Hydramatic with a 421. your comment raises my concerns. I did not intend to beat on the car however , 44 years ago I said the same thing to my Dad!! when I borrowed the family truckster . Happy New year to you all and thanks for your help
    Sincerely gmil60
     
  7. xlr8
    Joined: Jun 26, 2006
    Posts: 700

    xlr8
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    from Idaho

    Sorry, I thought that the roto-hydro was the only one with the internal torque converter. My bad.
     

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