Do you still have the old model A frame that you took the time to legally register? If so take a picture of it, then a close up of the area with the numbers then take a rubbing and carry it with you. When you get stopped you can show it to the officer in question and explain to him in 3 part harmony that you discovered that the frame was out of square and opted for the deuce frame rails because they are inherently stronger. This is totally unrelated but it has some merit. In Missouri in the '70s at least in some of the smaller towns having a current vehicle safety inspection was a big deal. If you did not have the proper inspection sticker on your vehicle they would pull you over and try and write you a ticket for about one of everything. IE no current inspection, vehicle plate fraud etc. I had an acquaintance that got his windshield knocked out at a party. He replaced it with a junkyard windshield. He still had his inspection paperwork in the car and got stopped and thought that it would work, not a chance. he did get off with a warning but was told that he either had to have his original inspection sticker or have it reinspected. He went home and cut the piece of windshield out of the old windshield with the inspection sticker on it. Then he carried it around with him to show to the police when they harrased him. not many local cops so he only had to get stopped a dozen or so time before they left him alone.
It can make it difficult to sell out of state or country. For example I can't import your car to Canada because it's registered as a 2012 and I doubt it's up to 2012 safety specs, does it have air bags ABS, etc. if it was a legit body one should make every effort to register it as that year of vehicle. We run into the same issue as our provinces all have different laws regarding registration/***les.
Can anyone shed any light on obtaining a proper replacement ***le for a 66 C10 that was originally a parts vehicle purchased off "ebuy". I'm from Georgia and somewhat familiar with the B.O.S. before a certain year - but am clueless on the RIGHT way to do this so everything is legit for an eventual PA ***le. I emailed SC DMV to inquire but have not heard anything yet. Thanks...
maybe one of the PA guys can chime in. There is also a PDF on thr SEMA site that gives the requirements for each state.
I suppose that's because of what a ***le signifies in that particular state. In Ohio, it signifies ownership, rightful and legal ownership of the vehicle. Not road worthy, not completed, not anything but ownership and all of the responsibility, privileges, and rights that come with that. As stated above about Connecticut, there is no ***le for vehicles prior to 1981. As far as Ohio is concerned, a person can't legally own a vehicle sold to them by someone who can't prove they themselves own it. There's also a bunch of insurance regulations that come up. Just for instance, car parts. We all know there's big big money sitting on the shelving. It's covered under your auto insurance if it belongs to a ***led and insured vehicle. HOWEVER, because they are car parts there is no coverage under homeowners or renters contents insurance. They can be covered under a business insurance policy if they are intended for resale or if you have a repair facility and have the appropriate riders in place. That's for Ohio and stems from ***le significant to ownership. Your state may vary.
Georgia only requires a bill of sale on vehicles that old. Georgia began issuing ***les with '62 models but does not require or issue ***les for vehicles over 20 years old.
Some states are also finicky about stock verses modified. I don't know anymore but there was a time that Calif was that way about motorcycles. Even if you held an original ***le when you went in if the inspector deemed that your motorcycle was not stock they did not want to release an original ***le for it. Granted there was a way around it but in involved going before a judge and getting a ruling as to how different from stock it was allowed to be or if the particular inspector could actually tell if the motor cycle left the show room originally that way or not. Problem with laws is that they are written in legalese and open to interpretation a lot of times. Some are plain and simple and some are not. Note: this is not an attempt to be political in any way shape or form.
Ha ha, I remember when you could buy left side big twin HD cases with a ***le out of the back of a certain bike magazine.
Don't try it here in Mn. They make you go through all kinds of hell at the dmv-6 mos. later you get a letter in the mail, that says "thanks for your money, & time but at this time we are unable to issue a ***le for this vehicle, again thanks for your money"
Many years ago, after M***achusetts began requiring ***les, I had bought a Model A frame. I read the VIN off it and got a ***le.
In MO the trick used to be yo use a left side case from a nose cone and a right side early case. No numbers anywhere. The state would issue a number and a ***le based on the fact that the bike had no numbers. I never did underatand the mentality but that was what they would do. I think they finally caught one.
looking for the #s on my 50 starlight's. WHERE ARE THEY ? i have bought and sold alot of cars over the years and never have made sure my frame matched my vin tag. if anyone buys my ***le and vin tag. the frame for that car and whats left of the body-shell go's with it. WHEN I GET DONE WITH IT !!! that go's without sayin roundhear.
I think you are overthinking it. If you don't know where the frame number is ***uming that your 50 starlight has one it is not likely that anyone else does either. OK I have to ask, I went through a lot of **** with my old bikes when I was a kid because owning a bike just ment that you were a dirty no good. That said here comes my question on a car, hot rod or otherwise how many of you having ***le or registration in hand how many of you have actually had a police officer go looking for numbers on your ch***is.
A few years back I bought a restored 56 Bel Air from Texas and when I went to the DMV with all the required paperwork (a small town DMV in New Mexico, no less) to ***le in my name there was question regarding whether the serial number plate was original (everything was "too clean"). I was sent to the state police to see an Officer trained in serial number inspection. Armed with a flashlight, mirrors, and cleaning supplies, with the car on a lift he went to the correct area and found the "hidden" serial number on the top of the frame. Not only did he check the number but he also in his own mind tried to evaluate if it were original or restamped. Fortunately it looked good and matched the plate and I was good to go. So I can say without question it can happen.
Ok, so if I get a frame with a legible vin, with a bill of sale, can I just apply for replacement ***le?? ***uming knowone else is "using" that ***le.....??
Every state has different rules with different loopholes. The trick is to jump though the loophole and not just stick your head though it. Remember there could be a hangin' any time now. Here is a quicky for everyone to check out. I figured that someone would take my hint and look for themselves. http://www.bipac.net/page.asp?content=tag_***le_toolbox&g=SEMAGA
Anybody know how to ***le a vehicle in Kansas with out a VIN. I've got a 29 model A with a 1970 302 and the VIN on the frame is not legible and to make things better it was given to me
If I'm not mistaken, I think the numbers were stamped on the rear frame crossmember. Good luck finding them though - 60+ years does make this difficult (if not impossible).
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