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  1. coupeguy2001
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    I installed a kimbridge frame stub on my 57 chevy truck, and the frame stub is a G body clone.
    It is a well known fact that the G bodies have a camber "gain" when the frame dips for a bump or under hard braking in a corner.
    This means that the top of the tire gets seriously close to the bottom of the fender lip at times.
    I just shaved the outer edge of my left front tire when going up a driveway at faster than average speed.
    There is a tall spindle mod for the G body clip that eliminates the excessive amount of camber gain at the times I already pointed out.
    This involves using a B body spindle, rotor, caliper, and a custom length upper A arm, and changing the outer tie rod to one with the proper B body spindle taper.


    Here is the question:
    Would camaro 2nd gen upper and lower control arms and spindles work on a G body frame? I have 2 inches on each side to work with, so width is not a consideration.
    I am led to understand that the camaro clip does not have the camber problem because the spindle is taller. Changing to all camaro pieces would simplify the remedy.
    Thanks in advance for your comments.
     
  2. coupeguy2001
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  3. Why not go with a smaller tire. A rim with more back space. Trim the fender lip???
     
  4. Unkl Ian
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    Not likely Camaro stuff bolts up to a G body.

    If you want bolt on stuff, you'll need that kit.

    Or, maybe, wheels with different back spacing.
     
  5. coupeguy2001
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  6. dirt t
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    I am familiar with Camero in my 54 pickup. Same problem. Fat man makes upper and lower a arms 3/4" narrower.
     
  7. Mr48chev
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    Whether the spindle in question will fit or not would depend on the ball joint studs.

    I don't know anything about the Kimbridge subframe so I have no idea what it uses for ball joints but you should be able to figure that one out with a bit of research.

    Here is a way to cheat a bit on the compatibility of parts.
    On the Oreilly's website when you look up a part for a specific vehicle there is a listing in that part for "compatibility" If you click on that link it shows you every model of vehicle that the part fits on.
    This is the link for the ball joints for my son's old 79 Elkie that would be a G body rig. http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/s...979&make=Chevrolet&model=El+Camino&vi=1042490
    If you click on the Moog lower ball joint and then click on the Compatibility link you see that there over a thousand models that that ball joint fits. If your spindle of choice is in that list it should bolt up if the upper ball joint also matches up.
     
  8. 38zephyr
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    What he said is what I did on these static dropped fairly low ... Hated the wheels on the black truck when I got it , liked the 18" Chinabrands on the silver truck
     

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  9. coupeguy2001
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    Here's 3 pics.

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    I am running 1996 Impala SS wheels. With the wider '72 rear, the tires juuuuust clear the rear fenders. I have 2" wide spacers in the front to get the tires out to the fenders so it doesn't look "off".
    The tires are 255/50/17 and fit the wheels perfect. 27.1 inches diameter.
    They look wide on the front, but look anemic on the rear where there is 1/4" clearance on the outsides, but 1" clearance on the insides.
    They are still 10 1/2" wide all around with 8.5" wide wheels. So must be a visual misperception.
    I like all my choices except when the front camber gain gets my attention when the tires rub.

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  10. coupeguy2001
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    I guess dropping the back some more might fix the misperception, but maybe the taller spindle will work for the camber gain?
     
  11. VoodooTwin
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    If you're not married to the wheels, change them for wheels with more back-spacing. My truck is dropped more than yours and my tires don't rub, and they are meaty.

    [​IMG]
     
  12. coupeguy2001
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    That's all well and good, but what front end are you running?
     
  13. Russco
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    First Gen Camaros suffered from the same geometry problem, it can be greatly improved by relocating the upper A-arm mount lower and rearward a small amount. This maybe something that will also work for the G body set up. Its worth a shot, Google "Guldstrand Mod" for more details.
     
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  14. VoodooTwin
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    A TCI MII. But my point is that you might be able to gain clearance by changing wheels.
     
  15. coupeguy2001
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    Voodoo,
    Because of how the total install worked out, I should have gone the route that you did, but now that it's done, I wish to fix the problem rather than let the problem continue and just work around it.
    I have a handle on it , and it may be the cure.
    I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond. Sometimes a person can get a new perspective by listening to those around him.
    A lot of the time, I think about what worked for others and make their fixes work for me.
     

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