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P15 Plymouth Utiility Sedan - Phantom Restoration / Hot Rod

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by dndrodshop, Apr 25, 2009.

  1. dndrodshop
    Joined: Apr 3, 2009
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    If anyone has time to Photoshop my Utility Sedan Brochure picture, I'm shooting for a restored original look on the body and brochure. I only have crude image editing software.

    The Sedan will be lowered and run different wheels than stock but I want the exterior to look factory, with rounded door corners and drip rails.

    - 5.2 EFI (318 cu in) with a 5-speed OD (94 Dakota donner)
    - 88 Dakota front suspension with triangulated 4-bar rear with airbags
    - 8-3/4 "E" Body rear with 4.11 gears
    - Steering Column up in the air right now

    Just starting to put in new firewall/floors. Tons of body work ahead. Life keeps getting in the way for any rapid progress on this project.

    I'm torn between calling it a SEDAN DELIVERY (which is what everyone will call it) or calling it a UTILITY SEDAN (which is listed in the Plymouth P15 Parts Books but has no illustration).

    I'm thinking satin black below the trim line and either a stain red or satin cream above. (I know I don't have to ask but ANY THOUGHTS, ANYONE?)
    This is my 2nd P15 car. I have posted an album for the first.
     

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  2. Looking good, Ed.
    I like it.
    I don't have Photoshop, so not much help there.
    Bob
     
  3. sololobo
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    What a cool project, man that is a one off. Good luck on a very cool project. Love seeing more MoPar stuff showing up. ~Sololobo~
     
  4. patrick66
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    A Utility Sedan is what is otherwise known as a Business Coupe, and is not a Sedan Delivery - two different cars. The Business Coupe has a cargo area in place of a back seat, no roll-down rear windows, and is usually a stripper in terms of interior and exterior trim. What you have pictured is a Sedan Delivery.
     
  5. plym_46
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    from central NY

    The utility sedan was as you explained but it was based on a 2 door sedan so it was not a bsuiness mans coupe. It was marketed to folks who did light deliveries, flower shops, department stores, etc. It usually had no back seat, and metal inserts installed over the rear gl***. early ones had a single opening rear door and the later ones had a clam shell deal. Optional rear seats could be installed if the need arose.

    from allpar:

    For those that didn't need the carrying capacity of full sedan delivery, Plymouth offered its first "Utility" sedan in 1939. Based once again on a two door p***enger car, the utility sedan was nothing more than a gutted two door sedan. The sedan delivery sold for $715 while the Utility sedan commanded $685. Despite this little price difference, the sedan delivery racked up sales of 2,099 units while the utility found only 340 customers.
    For 1940 Plymouth offered much the same lineup. The sedan delivery was based on the P9 Roadking ch***is, as was the Utility sedan. At $720, 2,846 sedan deliveries were sold, whie the utility enjoyed a slightly improved sales picture, with 584 finding buyers at $699.
     
  6. chopnchaneled
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    Looks like the making of a neat project,
    welcome to the world of long roofs.
    have a 46 ford sedan delivery my self.
     
  7. koolkemp
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    Just thought I would bump this up...did it ever get finished???
     
  8. 49ratfink
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    you would think they would have made them 4 doors. I'm not sure what this has to do with the car being built here

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  9. 41plym
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    Last true sedan delivery built by Plymouth was 1941. This is going to be a cool one off car no matter what you call it.
    41plym
     
  10. James D
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    Here you go, a bit of fakery...

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  11. rick finch
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    This one is gonna have lips flappin'....:D Yup, used to have one just like it...yada...yada...yada.
     
  12. dndrodshop
    Joined: Apr 3, 2009
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    STATUS UPDATE

    It's slow going, still working full time.
    Between business trips, family and summer car cruising it just takes a bunch of time.

    Body and Frame are each on rotisserie.

    • Frame will come off as soon as its warm enough to paint
      '88 Dakota clip has been modified with Air Struts.
      Then 5.2 / 5-speed Drivetrain out of storage and Ch***is ***embly
      Body needs just a couple more patch panels before the bottom can be painted.
     
  13. scrap metal 48
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    Gonna be really cool.......
     
  14. dndrodshop
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    I found out a number of years ago that 2-door wagons were made from 1950 to 1960 by both Dodge and Plymouth. At least some were delivered as Sedan Deliveries. Apparently very low production numbers.

    A good friend has what appears to be a factory '55 Plymouth Sedan Delivery.
    Hasn't done much with it and won't let it go.
     
  15. James D
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    Don´t feel under any obligation to thank me for the photoshop, will you. :rolleyes:
     
  16. dndrodshop
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    Thanks James.

    Just a little disorganized thinking here!

    Nice job, if I can only get the metal to look that good.
     
  17. RodStRace
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    Thanks James!:rolleyes:
     
  18. roadkillontheweb
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    I am curious about what vehicle donated the back door and rear roof section?
    Looks like excellent work!

    In Australia they made a Utility coupe in 1939 and 1940 but I can not find that they made them in 46-48 from the P15 series. Maybe you can do this with your next build. The Utility coupes were based off 4-door sedan bodies. My 1956 Australian Desoto UTE uses a P15 rear roof section and window on the 54 era Plymouth body.

    Pictures below are
    40 Plymouth UTE brochure
    39 Plymouth Roadster UTE
    39 Plymouth coupe UTE
    39 Plymouth coupe UTE
    Brochure shot of my Desoto UTE rear view
     

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  19. need louvers ?
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    I'm not sure how I missed this one! Love it! have you actually done the upper body conversion at this point, or was one of the lead photos photoshopped? I'd love to know what the upper body is from if you have done the deed!
     
  20. junkyardjeff
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    I cant wait to see this one finished.
     
  21. koolkemp
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    Looks like 49-54 Chevy roof /sides / rear door that provided the parts for the conversion.Glad to see you are still at it, lets see some pics!!
     
  22. plymouth1952
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    this is going to be very hot when done. I can hear it now I had one back in the day ! LOL
     
  23. need louvers ?
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    That's kinda what I was thinking. Looks like he started with a deluxe coupe like mine for a base judging by the door lines.
     
  24. dndrodshop
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    What makes you think it isn't a limited production model?


    Some shots of the Jump Seat.
     

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  25. junkyardjeff
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    I will have to remember that if I ever do get another sedan delivery in the future so i can take along a couple p***engers.
     
  26. dndrodshop
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    Some Ch***is Work Done

    Brake lines and Airllines in.

    Fuel line next then engine & Exhaust.
     

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  27. AspecialZ
    Joined: Jan 19, 2007
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    this is a very nice build you've got going, I'll be watching!! I'm building a few plymouths fromt the 40s era, I have a 41 sedan delivery in the works now.
     
  28. 6-71Kid
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    This is really cool. Giving me some Ideas for my 47
     

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