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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Boom48, Jul 17, 2011.

  1. LowKat
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    1- 88RC28370
    8=1948
    8R=239 ci in flathead V8 engine
    C=1/2 ton pickup
    28370=production sequence number


    2- 87HC84516
    8=1948
    7H=226 ci in flathead I6 engine
    C=1/2 ton pickup
    84516=production sequence number
     
  2. Boom48
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    Low Kat your the man! cool beans we should meet or something or you can come out to my house you dont live far away and id love to pick your mind on the panel and find out where i can find stufff
     
  3. HOT40ROD
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    from Easton, Pa

     
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  4. HOT40ROD
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    The RH12E2204 is the assembly number.

    Assembly plant- Richmond Va. (RH)
    Body style- Panel (12)
    Date - May 1951 (E)
    Assembly line number- 2204

    On 1948 - 50 this number is located on the header above the fire wall
    on 1951-52 this number is located at the top of the fire wall between the fire wall recessed area of fire wall and the steering column.
     
  5. gearhead1952
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    Take another look at the vin plate riveted to the cowl. Those plates have the vin stamped into them and can be very hard to see but probably is still there. The number is about a quarter inch down from the top of the tag in the middle and the numbers may be 3/16 tall if that. I've used a sharpie to go over the area then rub with a finger and may show up. Like the others have said that extra glove box plate you have is for a 52. On the frame the vin is forward of the upper shock bracket on the passenger side. Could be that u shaped motor mount bracket is sitting right on top of it. Looks like it might just be tacked on and could be removed to verify. For 48-50 the vin was closer to the inside edge of the frame rail and 51-52 closer to the outside.
    I've installed a small block ford and c4 trans in 3 panels and have not had to modify or cut the trans crossmember. Lots of ways to make your own motor mount brackets. Start with the trans mount and position then make your motor mounts. I've seen the aftermarket mounts tend to place the engine too low in the chassis forcing mods to the trans crossmember and front suspension.

    **Edit: Just went and looked at my truck. The vin is between the front crossmember and the diagonal brace from the side rail to the front crossmember. Numbers are a quarter inch big.
     
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  6. Boom48
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    Guys other then what I posted in my pictures there is no other numbers on the firewall then the assembly number. The blank VIN tag I just re-looked at it nothings there. I wonder is there something I can use like a metal etch to bring up numbers? like how they bring numbers back on a gun with the Vin/serial # gone? Also on the corners of my dash are pretty narly welds? could my dash have been replaced? For the frame Vin number thing I am gonna need pictures of what your talking about. Because i don't know what your talking about
     
  7. Boom48
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    look at this photo this is all i could find on my firewall.

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    1) riveted vin tage nothing on there need some kinda chemical to find a number on it.
    2) assembly code from factory
    3) where i was told the VIn would be on the frame nothing there.
     
  8. gearhead1952
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    Frame vin located at green arrow...
    [​IMG]
     
  9. gearhead1952
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    I thought I saw welds at the ends of the dash, pretty sure your dash was swapped from the 48-50 style to the 51-52 to match the front end.
     
  10. Boom48
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    what about the factory code stamped into the firewall then? that says the body was made in 1951 read ^ and lemme know what you think ima go check my frame right now. More pictures to come!
     
  11. gearhead1952
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    Here is what a 48 vin tag looks like. The plate is made of aluminum so any type of acid will eat it up. If the tag got sandblasted you may be out of luck. Some are stamped deep and others very lightly.
    [​IMG]

    I can just make out some numbers on your riveted cowl tag. Get out a magnifying glass or like I said go over the area with a black sharpie then rub your finger over it.
     
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  12. Boom48
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    here we go fellas i figured it out! Thank god for this too.
    my dash was replaced to a 51-52 dash heres how i can tell
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    passenger side
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    drivers side.
    There is a weld like this behind both sides of the dash.
    [​IMG]
    heres the dash
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    here's the frame rail where my Vin is not much left of it but i found it right where Gearhead said it was except on the drivers side not the passenger side
    [​IMG]
    . Vin reads on the frame *87HC84516*.
    So what I have is a 1948 that is a Hack job of someone patching up what was left of the 48 to make a 51-52 type panel truck. Someone must have welded in the firewall and the dash from a 51-52 to have that assembly number. Thank you very much for all your guys help! I'm gonna have to find stamps and re stamp the frame and Vin plate on the car to make it legitimate and legal. :D
     
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  13. Boom48
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    also here's a pic of the engine mount par setup I have. Not sure if it'll work for a 302 but I'm sure someone here will tell me if this will work or not.

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  14. HOT40ROD
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    Was the steering column in that truck. all 1948-50 were floor shift.

    Most 1951-52, 3 speeds were column shift.

    That motor mount you have laying on the frame will work real good in that frame.

    another question. In the front cross member which set of holes was the radiator support bolt two? If it was in the set closer two the fire wall it means that there was a V8 in it. The front hole s it had a 6 cyl.
     
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  15. HOT40ROD
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    Just seen your post about the vin on the frame. Yep that a 1948 and if it matches your title your set. do not restamp that number that can cause issues you do not want. Take some better pictures of it and some tracings to keep for your records. As for the tag on the fire wall check into what I sent you in your PM

    Here in Pa. all you need is for an inspection mechanic to check the vin and fill out the paper work. May be a option in your state.

    Lose the plate in the glove box.

    Good luck with your project and keep us posted. Love those 48-51 Ford trucks. I must have worked on 30 of them for myself and customers.
     
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  16. Boom48
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    The floorboard for a 3 on the floor is still there. The transmission he bought because he wanted to make it easier to drive. I ordered 2 of those things from that guy should be on there way soon. I don't have a plate in the glove box being how its not the same dash....
     
  17. Boom48
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    can someone show me what there Vin #'s look like on there firewall tags like clear view of the firewall tag. Thanks!
     
  18. LowKat
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    I made a mistake on the VIN's.

    C=1/2 ton but includes all models not just pickup

    look here:
    http://www.classictruckshop.com/id_1949-51_f1.php



    Sounds good.

    Here's the firewall tag from my '51

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    and the glovebox tag
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    Here's a tag guy. I think thy're about $100.
    http://www.datatags.com/
     
  19. Boom48
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    Anybody know where i can find a 51 or 52 front end or trade my 48 ford front end for one in the local area? also just picked up some new running gear for the panel! heres a photo

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    Ford 390,C6 automatic, Ford 9 inch 28 spline posi.
     
  20. MrNailhead
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    The F1 dash and grill was changed in mid year 1950
     
  21. MrNailhead
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    The dash and grill was changed on the F1 in mid year in 1950. I own a 48 F1
     
  22. MrNailhead
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    Anyone know who the stamping company is that stamps 48 F1 beds?
     
  23. Wrong. Only thing that changed mid-50 is the bed.
     
  24. bobj49f2
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    Sheet metal is the same for the '48-50 models, except as GM stated, the box for the F-1 changed to flat sides alone with the rear fender no longer had the step to fit the raised panels of the earlier box. There seems there on one minor change in mid '50, Ford stopped installing the underdash supports for the stock radio in some trucks. Also, in mid '50 the column shift began. There are minor changes in between the three years but they were minor and some times things didn't change at all. It all depended on what plant built the trucks and what suppliers and supplies were near by.

    Northern Classic Trucks reproduces the earlier box with the raised sides. There are others, you could try one of the repro parts dealers like Dennis Carpenter, Mac's or Classic Haulers but I'd guess they buy from Northern.
     
  25. I can vouch for Northern Classic Trucks. Just got a tailgate from them and it is VERY nice. Good price too
     
  26. mtflat
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    Boom48 - I didn't find this last July. Everybody has some of your info, but nobody hit it all. You've sorted most of it out. I hope you didn't re-stamp anything.

    Your 48 title is correct, matches your frame stamping and firewall stamping. You clearly have a 48 panel.

    Some po changed the front end and the dash to make it look like a 52.

    The tag you found in the box of junk is from the 52 the front end came from.

    Your vin shows 48 - six cyl - 1/2 ton and serial 84516
    8 -7H - C - 84516
    Your firewall stamping shows Richmond CA assembly plant, assembled 12 May 1948, the 2204 is the vehicle # down the line.
    RH - 12E - 2204

    Is there any character in front of the R? Richmond usually put the color code there.....
     
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  27. Boom48
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    i dont own the panel anymore fellas i sold it almost 2 months ago and bought a 51-52 f1 truck instead
     
  28. rusty1
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    48-50's had a smaller back window, 51-2's had a larger one.
     
  29. mtflat
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    Thanks for the update Benny - enjoy the truck!
    Tim
     
  30. Boom48
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