Ok so first post here on the hamb joined a few months ago, i'm an avid user of the local 4x4 community boards, you guys seem pretty knowledgable , so i figured i'd ask about what i have..forgive me if i do something wrong, feel free to tell me no harm done.. i ended up with 1930 Model A ford tudor , with 49 or 50 flathead and a couple of trans , now my area of expertise is motors.. i have no clue on how to identify some transmissions this old.. any insight and direction would be greatly appreciated.. thnx Dallas
a little more info.. the second one with the OD canister came with the 8ba and i have the bellhousing for it , the other one was givin to me in the parts bin apparently the guy that had the car for me traded the chrome grill shell for it.. i was told that it's a 3 speed , and they're highly sought after.. not trusting that clown with anything.. thnx again
Someone recently posted the first year for the flathead 3 sp OD, it was in the "shoebox" era of 49-51 I think. I just worked on a 50 that had one since new. Those ODs when engaged, have a free-wheel. It coasts, just like being out of gear. Some of your 4x4 boards must talk about the 3 sp OD in Jeeps, they are very much the same.
cool thnx , any ideas on what the other one is ..3 speed , no od free wheel , which in turn means no downshift.. correct? shoe box would make sense on the year because the tranny and motor were mated if the motor was a 51 then the tranny probably is aswell .. now what the hell is the other one and which one should i run ...
Yes and no...the O.D. doesn't 'freewheel' when (after being) engaged; it does freewheel when at speeds less than 26 MPH, or if the governor is worn, at speeds greater or lesser by +/- 5 MPH. When the cable operated pawl is 'engaged', the operator lets off the throttle, and the car 'freewheels', but only until the overdrive actually engages. It is then in the overdrive 'gear', and decels normally, albeit in a higher ratio, (overdrive) This works in all forward gears, and the engage speed is always the same, governed by tailshaft speed. (+/- 26 MPH and anything faster) When engaged in the overdrive mode, the throttle can then be depressed to the floor, and the button switch will kill the engine electrically for 80 milliseconds (again, +/-) then you are at throttle in the previous gear: (actual gear, 'out of overdrive') You can pull the cable back out to regain 'straight stick' operation. A trick I used to pull with my fast '56 Ford was on a roll start...The Chevy guys were generally geared pretty low, so I'd use 1st gear overdrive. We'd roll 25+, I'd act like I'd column-shifted to second, they'd shift to second, and we'd punch off at the marked start... The little Chevy would take off from 25 or so in second, and I'd put my foot to the switch, full throttle snap into low gear, tires spinning, rack it to 65 in low, then shift...2nd gear right in power range, surprise! $10 a gear, about 4 or 5 times a night. Never gave any of it back. Truth. Now, 98tjmaster: About that old stupid 3 speed you got thrown in with the deal... Wanna sell it??
wow that's great info mike thanks , sounds like i'm gunna need some driving lesson's... i figured that tranny is pretty popular.. enlighten me , as to what the hell it is and i may just sell it..(probably not, har har)
There was another one just like it last week. The hamb said it was Ford,shoebox era, and up to maybe 56. Edit, here is the thread on it ...it was not shoebox, was 52 up http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=618057
Show a picture of the side cover straight on. I think these are both the middle of three that were available for 49 to 64 ford cars. The really heavy duty one has a curved bottom on the side cover. The middle one the side cover is a rectangle. The light duty has a cover on the top.
thanks for help f&j , but that thread still hasn't been verified.. and my transmission tailshaft length is 15 3/4" which is different from the other. i know both of my transmissions are the exact same length from input to output shaft and they both have the same bolt pattern.. like i said before i'm no transmission guy .. and i'm lost when comes to , where to look for parts? , which one should i run? , what are they worth? , how does the linkage hookup? , are they column? , quite oviously their not toploader's.. thnx again Dallas
I'll defer to Ole Don, but it looks like you have one each of the transmissions that were available in '49-'50 Fords. The basic 3 speed box is a Borg-Warner T-86 in each case. The Overdrive version is the same transmission with Borg-Warner's R-10 planetary overdrive attached. The two are interchangeable in the car.
thanks Dale!! i'll be at the portland swap meet looking for grille shell and i'll bring both trans if anyone is interested Now that i know what they are any offers??
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