Hi I have a C4 trans in my 64 fairlane, and it was leaking from the rear seal. I drained it and removed the tailshaft housing, it was almost empty. Yikes. My question is, how does the bushing fit, it seems too small to be pressed into the housing. The inside of the housing seems very worn where the bushing should go. When I removed the housing the old bushing just fell out. So I have nothing to go on, and the manual isn't specific enough. Thanks for you help.
I've never had the seal fall out before so that would be my first step. I would check that the new and old seal are the same size. The seal on a c-4 from my excperience is a press in deal though I have done one with a large socket in a parking lot. Having the housing worn like might be a sign that something is worn like u-joints or the seal itself causing the housing to round out in a odd fashion. If the housing isn't crisp so to speak it might just be a goner. Pictures help to see cause its hard diagnose over the internet.BD
Originally, the bushings are pressed in. If yours is so loose it fell out, you will need a replacement rear housing.....try a transmssion shop for a used piece. Also, examine the driveshaft yoke for excessive wear. If there is that much problem with the bushing/housing, I can't imagine the yoke is unaffected. A good used or new yoke should solve that problem. Also, u-joints could be a root cause of the problem. Best wishes on a speedy and inexpensive fix. Ray
Since you have it off and have the bushing and seal I would suggest taking the tail shaft to a good transmission shop and ask if they can change the bushing. I usually change the tailshaft bushings with the trans ***embled using the tools in the following photo. The one with the teeth slips inside the bushing and when you move the lever the teeth catch the bushing from the back side and by turning the bolt you pull the bushing out. The other tool is the driver to drive the new bushing in place. The transmission shop may have a driver that is just a few thousandths smaller than the od of the bushing at the step so that they can drive/press the bushing out and then press the new bushing in. You might see if the parts house has similar tools to rent. You would have to put the tail shaft back on the trans but after that it is a real simple process.
If the bushing is too small for the houding, it has spun in the housing and the only fix is to replace the housing. If you can't find another tailhousing contact me. I have 2 extra c-4 transmissions. I can get you one. Good luck
I will get some pictures in a bit. Suprisingly the yolk is fine. I was going to change out the u-joints that's when I noticed the major leak and figured I would change out the bushing and seal. The bushing that fell out isn't worn or etched either? I imagine the previous owner F'd things up with some sort of hokey fix. Whats really odd is that I had been driving this thing, just locally but it was driving.
This is my guess what they did. with out removeing the old one they tryed to push the old one in with new one.Take of tail section off and know out old one.
Here are some photos of the tailshaft. I hope you can see, it was tough to get a good photo. The one shows the scoring on the inside and the other shows how small the bushing is compared to the inside. Like I said earlier the bushing wasn't damaged and neither was the yoke.
sure have correct new bushing? how does it compare to the one that fell out? try checking with Maplewood Auto Service (Minneapolis/St.Paul) 651-739-4940 that works on all types of transmissions
It appears that the best solution is to replace the tail housing. I've never seen one do it before but it appears that the bushing spun in the housing. My guess is that not long before you got it someone had trouble and replaced the yoke and not the bushing. I'd say that the saw cut in the bottom side is where they cut the spun bushing to take it out.
Well its confirmed, it's trashed. I am now thinking, maybe I will just update to a newer T5. I was never fond of driving this old relic anyways. Thanks for all your replies!
^^^^^ I just looked and theres like 5 tail housings on that somethen somethen bid site. I'm sure you would walk out of trans shop with one cheap.
Changing to a T-5 isn't going to be easy or cheap. That may not concern you, and if it doesn't, go for it. However, you post says it's '64 Fairlane. I am going to make an ***umption here, always risky, that it is a small block Ford V8 and original to the car. If that is the case, you have a "5 bolt bellhousing" (the number of bolts holding the bellhousing to the block). The significance of that is....the five bolt bells are limited as to what "bolt on" transmission options you have. In '65 Ford changed to "6 bolt bellhousings" and that opens up the options for retrofitting with stock parts. For instance, with the "6 bolt" you could use a later Mustang T-5 bellhousing and mating the trans to an older engine is realtively easy. You will have to find, first, a 5 bolt manual bellhousing and then an adapter plate to mate the T-5 to the earlier ford trans bolt pattern. If that isn't enough.....clutch pedal ***emblies and linkages located and installed... Yes, it's all doable........ On the other hand a repaired, even overhauled, C4 is a piece of cake. perhaps you could have a shift kit added to make it feel a little more performance oriented for not a lot of money or complexity. Ray
Thanks for all your replies! Okay, I am a bit ashamed to admit this but it isn't a C4 like I thought. I am new to this old car bit and made a mistake with the lingo. Its a 3sp manual toploader, (I think that's what it's called). So its already set up with the clutch an stuff. From what I have read it seems feasible, and they have a 4cyl T5 at my local pick and pull for $99. Oh and its a 6 cylinder too, not a V8
Hehehe No, brunette. Actually, I had no idea, I really thought the C4 was both manual and auto. Self tought, gonna make some mistakes I guess. Fell free to rub it in.
Well then if I had a manual 3 speed, I'd swap it out for a T5 right quick. I put a T5 behind my flathead, but don't know the particulars of putting one behind your engine. Check out Flat Ernie's thread on here "ultimate t5 thread". Do a search, good info.
Easy boys, the lady is learning, just like we did in our time. She asked for advice, not ridicule. We have all made car parts identification mistakes, only problem is we were only laughted at by a few friends in the shop, we had no forum like this to post to. Enjoy your hobby dear lady.
You can probably snoop on the Ford boards that cater to the early 60's cars and see what it takes to put a T-5 in the car in place of the three speed. Here is some interesting reading on the subject. This is on V8 applications but there is some good info. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/09/t5swap/index.php Some more. It looks like you may need to make sure that the four cylinder trans will fit behind the six before spending any money. That is the one rub on working on early/mid sixties Fords. A lot of times parts won't interchange easily between models or between engines. When I was working in shops all the time we joked that you needed to know the color of a 60 something Ford because red Fords took different parts than Blue Fords. And it was almost that bad at times. This is Mustang info but it will give you some ideas of what you will face along the way. http://www.sacramento-mustang.com/Newsletter/T5_Swap/t5_swap.shtml
Cheap and easy to fix what you got. Much less headache. Unless there's something about the 3 speed you don't like.
have you verified that you have the original motor in it? as stated, later motors easier to adapt newer trans to. search online: moderndriveline.com they might have the adapter you would need to run 5spd
Thanks 48Chev! I was looking at that ford muscle article too, that's what got me thinking of doing it. Today I pulled the trans and it was a mess, due to the output shaft slopping around in the wrecked tailhousing. So I don't think it's worth it to fix it. I may be a princess but I couldn't stand driving the 3sp. Mainly the lack of syncros, I had switched it to a floor shifter already because I never got the hang of the column shift (I am a bit too young to have any experience with that). Tomorrow I am gonna pull the bellhousing and clutch. I have never worked on a clutch before, nothing is gonna fall out on me is it? So then I know exactly what I am looking for as far as new T5 bellhousing boltwise. Also, that ****** was kinda heavy, my uncle, over the phone, had told me "it doesn't weigh more than a case of beer", thank god I workout!
It is the original engine. I found an adapter plate from NPD, but I read it might be easier and cheaper to get the bellhousing for the trans you get. Then I can make some adjustments to the clutch to work.
Well I got the bellhousing and clutch out ok. Maybe I will keep this going with updates and pictures in case anybody else is in the same spot. I did some digging and it seems that a 2.3L engine T5 is what I need for my 6cyl engine. I plan on keeping it a 6 so it'll be good. My fairlane has an 8.5" clutch, and I think I could keep it and put in an adapter plate but I plan on replacing it since I am in there. My flywheel is also kinda worn, so I am going to replace that too. Luckily the 2.3L T5 originally mated up to a 132 tooth flywheel and thats what my fairlane had (132 tooth), so I might be able to use my starter? There is a slight difference in outside diameter of the flywheel though, like 0.10", and the inside diameter accomodates for a bigger clutch. So now I on to a few leads for T5's. I will let you know when I get one and the journey resumes.
awsome that a fema is doing her own wrenchin heard about those kinda girls never had chance to meet one little more experience and youll be teachin some of us a thing or two
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