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Pulling the engine to replace a transmission and the snowball effect

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by johnboy13, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. johnboy13
    Joined: May 1, 2007
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    '57 F100 with a 351/C4 combo. Do I pull the engine to replace the transmission or not? Pulling the engine will mean I'll want to clean it up, blast the brackets and timing cover, which will likely lead to a new aluminum water pump, and add some paint, which will likely lead to a new intake. Not cheap for a 351W. I'm certain that it would lead to the front clip coming off and the engine bay being cleaned up while the engine is out, which will likely lead to the interior coming out and a patch getting put in the floor. All culminating with a brand spanking new paint job. Not pulling the engine will mean that the engine will continue to look rough, the engine bay won't be the cleanest, there will be a hole in the floorboard behind the seat, and the paint will leave something to be desired, but I'll be that much closer to driving the snot out of it and I'll have that much more cash to put in the gas tank.

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  2. F&J
    Joined: Apr 5, 2007
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    This time of year? Just do what needs doing to the trans. Fall will be here soon enough.
     
  3. gasheat
    Joined: Nov 7, 2005
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    from Dallas

    I thought you were to enjoy those things.
     
  4. falconsprint63
    Joined: May 17, 2007
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    from Mayberry

    LOL--I went to change the master cylinder on a falcon once (on a friday night before a show) by the time all was said and done I'd replumbed the entire car, replaced the hurst shifter and pulled the ****** out to have a crack in casing repaired. let it snow!
     
  5. riv63
    Joined: Feb 2, 2008
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    riv63
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    from Texas

    Pull it, you know you want to. You're just looking for validation, right?
     
  6. Should have pulled it in November. Make it anotger 7 months, collect parts, find deals have a plan and do it.
     
  7. Nick Flores
    Joined: Aug 13, 2009
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    I turned this....



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    Into this....




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    Over a head gasket... On the plus side, now when you lift the hood.....


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    Might as well go for it....:D
     
  8. oltruckag
    Joined: Aug 13, 2009
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    Do it... It only took me 8 years to complete the frame up rest on my '62 that just needed brakes and a carb to make it a driver.

    I even restored and sold a sweet OT '67 Scout 800 in the process. Sold it before I put 200 miles on it.
     
  9. t-rod
    Joined: Feb 7, 2009
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    I pulled the 350 out of my S10 to go through it and ended up building my roadster to put the rebuilt engine in. It's taken 5 1/2 years so far and I still haven't driven it (it's soo close!), but I still know I did the right thing.
     
  10. Wait until Fall.............
     
  11. Jalopy Joker
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    '57? so, what is the problem with trans?
     
  12. Retro Jim
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    Well it really comes down to one simple thing .
    Do you want to redo everything now so it will look good at the car shows or are you happy with the way it looks right now ? You already know the answer to that question so why ask us what you already know what must be done ! Just get it done and enjoy the truck !

    Retro Jim
     
  13. Johnny Gee
    Joined: Dec 3, 2009
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    from Downey, Ca

    Don't pull the engine. I figured I would pull the front clip off my 56 when it blew a head gasket. Well, too many years later and money I never really wanted to spend my head gasket job became my Avatar. It's still not done. Yep, Snowballs do get bigger "Myth Buster confirmed".
     
  14. BarryA
    Joined: Apr 22, 2007
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    Gearbox was slipping on this:

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    I am ALMOST done fixing it....

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    Well that's what I keep telling myself. Delusion is a wonderful state!
     
  15. Hip
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    Keep the hood closed, a little trans stop leak, and cruise it for the spring and summer.
     
  16. devilleish
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    HEY, I'm in the middle of that with the yellow truck in my avatar! All over a front suspension rebuild & upgrade!
     
  17. johnboy13
    Joined: May 1, 2007
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    I'm not really sure, it leaks like the E**on Valdez, the fluid is burnt bad, and it won't shift from 2nd to 3rd unless you lift off the gas and wait for it to shift before getting back on it. I have another one that I rebuilt last fall waiting to go in.

    The problem with waiting till fall is that I have to push the truck up against the wall in the late fall so that I can get our two daily drivers in the garage for the winter. There's no room to have the thing apart through the winter.
     
  18. DirtyJoe
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    I'd just swap the trans and drive it.
     
  19. harley rider
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    I would drive it thru the summer so you can think about and plan what you really want to do with it . I started out to swap an engine in november and ended up doin a paint job and complete rewire. I'm almost finished ready for summer. glad I did it. it was a good way to spend a winter.
     
  20. It is possible all that you need to make it shift correctly is a new vacuum modulator.
    Change that, and buy a drip pan. Spring is here! Drive it, don't start a sequence.

    Alden
     
  21. Engine man
    Joined: Jan 30, 2011
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    Engine man
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    from Wisconsin

    I'd try to figure out where it's leaking. If it's the torque converter seal, the trans probably has to come out. I would try a bottle of KW Trans-X in it, drive it for a while, change fluid and filter and see if it helps. If it doesn't, at least the trans will be clean to work on.

    That said, you'll have probably $60 in the process so if you have one ready, swap it out. Make sure you have a good vacuum source for the modulator and it is adjusted properly.
     
  22. johnboy13
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    Changed that last year, along with a new filter and fluid. Made no difference whatsoever.
     
  23. Sweepspear
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    That's kind of how I got my case of the "While I'm at its!"
    Started out as a simple re paint, but had to remove front fenders to get a piece of trim off.
    While I'm at it I might as well clean up the engine bay.
    That sure will be easier if I pull the engine!

    Geez, now that the engine is out, while I'm at it I should open it up and replace those main bearings. One of them has always had a slight noise.

    While I'm at it, I should just send the heads out for a valve job.

    Heck, might as well price an engine kit.

    And so on, and so forth.
     
  24. shocker998md
    Joined: May 17, 2009
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    check it out man, pull it out and just pressure wash the engine bay and the engine. It will make a world of difference just doing that.

    NO if ands or buts just wash it and deal with the ******, put that ***** back in and ur back on the road. Wait untill you have low oil pressure, really bad leaking rear main seal or some REAL reason to pull it to work on it.

    This is comming from the snow ball master himself!
     
  25. JimSwann
    Joined: Jul 4, 2007
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    I started with a simple trans swap... Now I have added a new cluch master cylinder, hydraulic throwout bearing, dual master cylinders, new engine, headers, new exhaust, new radiator, new column, new steering rack and shafts, trans crossmember, driveshaft loop and other parts. So...
     
  26. blue57ford
    Joined: Jul 24, 2005
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    The truck in my avatar was one time white. And still running the original axle up front. One day, the radiator develops a leak. Pulled it out for repair. While it was out, decided to replace rear main seal. Rear main cap is pulled off and inserts look bad. Pull engine and tranmission out for overhauls. While engine is out, decide to ditch the axle and go independent front. Then I think lets paint it red. All this from a leaky radiator that failed again after the truck was redone.
     

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