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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by bobo1, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. bobo1
    Joined: Dec 18, 2008
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    Hello I look for a engine for my ford falcon 1960 , What sort of engine you put on in , I have not engine on it for the moment
     
  2. Ford small 6's were the original motors in these 170, 200, 250
    Ford V8's will drop in too 289,302, 351 windsor
    They will be the easiest but just about anything can be made to fit with enough fabrication
     
  3. BigIrish
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    I don't think a 351 or a 250 will fit under the hood with out some modifications. Both are a little too tall.

    The '60 originally came with a 144. So your easy choices are 144, 170, 200, 260, 289, 302.
     
  4. bobss396
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    My '65 Falcon had a 170, so that should go right it. I helped someone do a 200 in a '64 and don't recall any problems with the swap.

    The 289 and 351 options I've done in early Mustangs, they put a lot of weight on the front end and you'll have to update your brakes and suspension accordingly.

    Bob
     
  5. bobo1
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    Ok thank's I have got a 144 ci with 2 speeds automatic transmission but I find that it is not enough ****** I would like to put in on big bloc .Have you some examples please
     
  6. FrankBoss
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    312 would be my choice.

    FrankBoss
     
  7. 62rebel
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    is this car in France? if so, you need to talk to your local vehicle Dept or Ministry or whatever government office controls your cars. i was told that France is HIGHLY restrictive on modifications to or engine swaps in cars.... even down to simple customization stuff. asking US how to build a car in France is risky. i'd hate to have you come back in a couple of months telling us how the Surete seized your car.....
     
  8. yea but all that said if he is willing to do a numbers job a 289 or 302 dressed as a 260 is a damned good choice. ;)

    I don't know the rtules in france but over here i have helped stuff quite a few 289s or 302s (5.0L) in them. A good choice for the little car, they are quite nice to drive, a big block unless it is really set back just makes them a pig, you can't do enough to the suspension to overcome all that weight on the nose.

    Oh and I guess I must have missed your introduction, wish I hadn't, tardive de bienvenue
     
  9. 62rebel
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    i'd read that France clamps down VERY hard on hotrods.... they simply do not tolerate the sort of things we do. unless the owner can prove the car came in the configuration he has it in, he cannot register it.
     
  10. LM14
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    The big block is out unless you want to do a ton of work. Mine is a 460/C6.

    The 351W or 351C or 351M would all be a lot harder than a 289/302 due to the taller deck height. Things get real close at the shock towers.

    Good luck,
    SPark
     

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  12. bobo1
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    You are right but we can drive all the same it what is also strict no as what you read . I drive very often with this car since year without any problem the law is rather flexible all the same in France .For the moment I have got in my Falcon one 6 toyota 3l engine :eek: and I would like to change it for a v8 but not toyota ;)


    Peugeot have not big bloc :D
     

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  13. Ole don
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    A nice combination would be a 200 six with a turbo charger and a five speed. Larger brakes from a Mustang, short radial tires and you would have an American car with a European flavor.
     
  14. 61falcon
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    i have a 302 stroked to 331, makes great power without the extra weight of a big block.
     
  15. CutawayAl
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    Not a choice I would have made, but I know a guy who is putting a blown(with EFI) Ardun flathead in one.

    I remember the front suspension in those cars was pretty marginal so be aware of that.
     
  16. foolthrottle
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    There was a simca ohv engine based on a ford v8 60 that might work.
     
  17. Davyj
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    Look for a donor car with a v8 and rear wheel drive, take the engine, trans and all wiring...............the key measurements would be the width and length of the engine as well as the shape of the oil pan to clear the steering linkage. BMW has a nice v8, maybe check out the local wrecking yard for a complete donor.............. Bon Chance!
     
  18. mcnally351
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    I second that, turbo inlines are cool, but if not a Windsor based small block will be great. How easy is it to get American parts in france?
     
  19. Easy? 200 cid 6 coupled to 4 or 5 speed, 3:10 gears in the rear (you may have if car is stick now) and disc kit for the front.

    Front suspension canNOT be built strong enough for a large engine without replacing everything, which IS possible, but costly.

    Cosmo
     
  20. Mr48chev
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    As far as American engines I'd have to ask if the Ford 302 engines are readily available in France or other European countries. If the Mustangs with 302 engines were imported there that may be a source for those engines.

    I'm with Porkn****** in that it is probably prudent to put an engine in the car that has the appearance of being a factory installation to the casual observer when they look under the hood.

    The suspension can easily be upgraded with first generation V8 Mustang parts. Those are readily available through a number of sources.
     
  21. bobo1
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    ok thank's for your answers the problem it is because the parts of mustang are very expensive in France, for the price of one 302 ford you have two v8 chevrolet! I am going to follow your recommend and to leave on one 289 or 302, I liked very much my six cylinders toyota but we find no more cylinder head gasket for in France! If you have either know of the part, of mustang I am accepting for my front suspension and spindles
     
  22. falconsprint63
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    302 is cheap, easy and readily available. that gets my vote.
     
  23. Would you keep the Toyoda engine if you could get head gaskets? Is it a V6 3.0?
     
  24. bobo1
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    Yes I keep it if I could get head gasket , it's not a v6 but 6 on-line 2.6 L toyota crown 1979 type MS85 . No parts to toyota europe and no parts to summit
     
  25. I found a head gasket on rockauto.com for a 1979 Toyota Corolla with a 2.6L L6- I wonder if it's the same engine. My thinking is maybe one or more head gaskets can be found.
     
  26. bobo1
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    Very thank's I'm going to look the type of my toyota engine tomorrow
     
  27. Heo2
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    Since you are in france and somewhat hard to get
    American engines. Go with Mercedes 500 V8
    Aluminium engine, frontsump,328 hp din
    equal to 400+sae gross hp Bigblocks
    from the 60s. Must be plenty of cheap.
    S 500s in france
    Probably starting a BIG ****storm here
    but better quality than American engines
    less fuel consumtion more power
    smoth 600 rpm idle instant trothle respons
    but not a bit traditional
     
  28. patrick english
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    "but better quality than American engines"[/QUOTE]



    wrong....
     
  29. bobo1
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    My big probleme is the oil pan , I need engine with front oil pan ,if not it has been a long time since I would have take up a SBC on but on the SBC the oil pan is at the rear . I have the helm of direction who is behind ,It is very pity because I have already a sbc 305 ci with his transmissoin
     

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