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Need some Ford engine I.D. decoding help

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Humboldt Cat, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. Humboldt Cat
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    Humboldt Cat
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    Just got home from pulling a motor & trans out of my beloved '68 F100 that we're parting out, I know from owner history the motor's not the stock one. Still, would like to find out where they came from. Engine block stamp: C7MEA ('67, et all), beefy top loader I.D. stamp C96391P.
    Trading drivetrains with HAMB'er Purple, just keen to know more about it. It's been neat meeting 2 other previous owners in the 3 years I've had her.
    Bought new by a local logging company in June of '68, it later changed hands to Wayne Bare Trucking in Arcata. The company truck stayed indoors at night, serviced regularly. Someone bought it from them in the mid-80s, put a different, rebuilt FE in it (the one we pulled out tonight), along with changing it to a flatbed. Thanks for any decoding help.
     
  2. Don's Hot Rods
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    Supposedly, that number was used on a lot of Ford blocks like 390's, 428's, etc. The only way to determine the cubic inches is to pull a head and measure the bore and stroke.

    Don
     
  3. Humboldt Cat
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    Is it a truck motor? Curious to know what the ME-A part stands for.
     
  4. Don's Hot Rods
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    Pretty much yes. That motor was used for trucks, industrial uses, fleets, etc. Here are the bores and strokes so you can check yours: But with Ford you can never be sure as they put their motors in lots of stuff.

    <TABLE border=2 cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR align=center bgColor=#ffffd0><TD colSpan=5>FE Family</TD></TR><TR align=center bgColor=#ffffd0><TD>Bore</TH> <TD colSpan=4>Stroke</TD></TR><TR align=center bgColor=#ffffd0><TD></TD><TD>3.30"</TD><TD>3.50"</TD><TD>3.78"</TD><TD>3.98"</TD></TR><TR align=center bgColor=#ffffd0><TD>4.00"</TD><TD>332</TD><TD>352</TD><TD>381</TD><TD>400</TD></TR><TR align=center bgColor=#ffffd0><TD>4.05"</TD><TD>340</TD><TD>360</TD><TD>390</TD><TD>410</TD></TR><TR align=center bgColor=#ffffd0><TD>4.13"</TD><TD>354</TD><TD>375</TD><TD>406</TD><TD>428</TD></TR><TR align=center bgColor=#ffffd0><TD>4.23"</TD><TD>371</TD><TD>393</TD><TD>427</TD><TD>447</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


    Don
     
  5. Don's Hot Rods
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    I did a little internet research for you and here is what one site said:

    That block could be anything from a FT 330MD to a FE 428 with that casting number. Both FE and FT blocks in every shape and size used that casting number as Denny mentioned. Being it's in a truck makes it very difficult to ID. You'd need to remove a head to measure the cyl bore. You can check the stroke easy enough. Search the site like Denny suggested. Lots of ID info has been posted over the years. Good luck, G.

    Don
     
  6. Humboldt Cat
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    Dirrrty pictures... mostly for Purple's benefit. An FE is an FE is an FE, but this one, out of the 3 others I've run in my '57 was by far more dependable and trouble free. Gonna miss it. Looking forward to the trade, though.
     

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  7. With the C7 code it could possibly be a 428 p***enger car and it is my understanding, but it seems far-fetched, other than measuring bore and stroke the number 428 is stamped on the inner casting behind the center freeze plug ... like I said, sounds far-fetched but possible. Its been 35 years, but I am almost positive that I had a fe that I was able to narrow down the ID with casting dots, numbers or something
     
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  8. Humboldt Cat
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    Any info on the trans? I know the stock one, according to the VIN, was a New Process 435, as was the one on the '69 Bronco cab I have in storage. Spent more time at my bud's parting the truck out, saying goodbye to a good ol (Swiss cheesed) friend, slowly. Window gl*** is good, hanging on to that and the rack n pinion. The rear is a Dana 60 3.73 gears with floater hubs, keeper?
     
  9. Mike Miller
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    C7M is 1967 Mercury. The E is the warehouse it came from and the A is the first revision of the block all the rest is just the part number for it or the block depending on what set of numbers you grabbed. If the aluminum tag is missing from the top of the intake you just have to measure the bore and stroke.
     
  10. Humboldt Cat
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    Cool, thanks!
    Wish I knew what Mercury that came out of. Hope to run into that previous owner again, heh heh.
     
  11. critchdizzle
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    If it's a '67 Mercury, it's probably either a 390, 410, or 428. Hope that narrows it down a bit, but still the best way to tell is by checking the bore and stroke.
     
  12. Henrysnephew
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    Correct, sir! Here is a pic of the "428" casted into the water jacket floor behind the center freeze plug. Very important to check for this, as some shysters will bore a (4.050") 390 block .080" oversize and sell a dangerously overbored block as a 428! Randy Millard (Henrysnephew)

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  13. Mike Miller
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    That's good to know Randy.
     
  14. sunbeam
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    A 410 or 428 will have an external ballance flywheel.
     

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