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Flake Questions

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by alfredo, May 29, 2012.

  1. Getting ready to shoot some flake on the interior of my car and I have some questions, but first my plan:
    1. 2k primer
    2. light scuff sand
    3. house of kolor silver base
    4. lil daddy roth silver flake .015 and .008 mixed in Kustom Shop UBC 825 mid coat clear
    5. house of kolor kandies
    6. Kustom Shop Clear

    My questions:
    1. should I use something other than the mid coat? A different brand? Just mix the flake in with clear?
    2. after spraying the flake, should I sand it before the kandy? If so, with what grit?
    3. Any tips on clears or any other tips in general?
     
  2. Special Ed
    Joined: Nov 1, 2007
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    Whoa! Back up just a little bit. Where are you spraying this silver flake? On your dash?
     
  3. I have ripped out and repaired the entire inside of the car. The dash is not getting any paint, but the pillars, windshield channels (front & rear), doors, rear sections are all getting some paint.
     
  4. Special Ed
    Joined: Nov 1, 2007
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    Good. Silver flake on your dash might be a bad idea in the sunshine....
    Your plan sounds solid, but DON'T sand until you've got your final topcoat on. It's a lot of steps, but worth it.
     
  5. i shoot auto air colors only. it s so much easier in my opinion. but if you have been shooting urethane for any length of time... then go for what you know.

    so lets say you shoot your silver base...

    mix dry flake of your choice in with AAC transparent base and shoot. no need to worry about time windows or any of that stuff.

    shoot your clear in as heavy as the mil spec will allow and then hit it with a scotch brite. if you get too aggressive with block sanding, you might knick some flake and wind up with minor imperfections that no one but you would ever notice. then re-clear, block sand and polish to a dazzling mirror finish!

    good luck!
     
  6. So you are saying use the HOK Silver base, then then AAC transparent base as the flake carrier? Then kandy, heavy clear, scotch bright and polish? Just wanna make sure I am getting that right.

    I have some AAC stuff out in the garage, but haven't tried it yet. I guess I am scared it will be super thin and run all over the place.
     
  7. you can use what ever base you like. AAC is compatible with just about anything. if you follow the directions you cannot run the product. it doesn't go on like regular paint.

    for me, i would go like this:

    base
    mid coat with flake
    clear
    scotch brite
    clear
    block sand
    kandy
    clear
    block
    clear
    polish

    this way, you get a nice even surface for your candy to go over.
    but thats just MY way of doing it. i'm sure there are plenty of guys who would do it their way for their reasons.
     
  8. Ok. Great. I think I will go with your suggestion on the AAC. As for the scotch brits and block sanding; what color scotch brits (red/green) and what grits for the others? Wet block?
     
  9. its either the red or gray (whichever is finer (i think gray))

    yes, wet blocking is good start. what grit you start with will be according to your spraying technique.

    there are some pretty good tech articles here on the HAMB about cutting and buffing.
     
  10. geckodesign
    Joined: May 3, 2012
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    Just to interject, if you already have the KS UBC 825 Mid Coat, don't be afraid to use it to carry your flake. I've used it for flake and works great. Excellent coverage and the flake orientates itself nicely. But like alteredpilot mentioned, its all what you're comfortable using. AAC is great stuff, and if you've already gone that route then no worries.
     
  11. Noland
    Joined: Oct 16, 2007
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    HOK makes an intercoat also that works well but my question is when does the candy go on. I would think after the flake then clear again
     
  12. I have both the HOK flake carrier and a small 8oz AAC. I will test both with a finger of flake this weekend. I do, however, have a complex problem now.

    I want to lay the HOK BC02 (orion silver) down and tape off some lines. Then I want to also lay down HOK BC09 (planet green) down over that. I am using HOK UK14 (spanish gold) kandy over the planet green to reach the green tint I am after. The complexity would be when to flake. . . . ? Flake the silver, tape, spray green and then flake that? Don't flake the silver at all and just flake the green? I am using some fine line so the silver won't be too noticeable if flake is absent, but I was just curious. Maybe sprinkle a pinch or two of flake in when I spray the silver?
     

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