WW2 Nose Art/Pine up Hot rod art Slightly O/T

oh ok.

thanks for letting me know. I was totally guessing as he did not write anything on them to tell me.

 

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the germans are the ones that started the shark teeth on their planes... ME-109's had a lot of them....


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I've never heard that one before nor have I ever seen an example. What's your source?

 

My source is that i remember seeing german world war one planes with them i believe.

and i KNOW i've seen ME-109's with the shark teeth.

the U.S. navy planes copied them later in late war and 50's.

I'm almost positive...

I'll find a link for you.



here is one source... the quote is.....

"In fact, the fearsome shark nose had been used by German pilots even before the R.A.F. painted teeth on their P-40s in the Libyan Desert. "
from......
http://www.homeofheroes.com/wings/part2/14_howard.html

 

here is a quote from an online source......

.......found a picture of a German Messerschmitt ***igned to the Haifischgruppe "Shark Group" in North Africa. He was struck by the foreign pilot's decoration, repainting the nose of his ME-110 with a bright red nose above the menacing white teeth of a shark. (this predates the U.S. flying tigers)

 

That' interesting. I knew AVG was not the first, but I didn't know it was the Luftwaffe.

Here's a quote from Chennault

"Before I left the United States in the summer of 1941, I asked a few friends in Louisiana to watch the newspapers and send me any clippings about the A.V.G.  Now I was being swamped with clippings from stateside newspapers, and my men were astonished to find themselves world famous as the Flying Tigers.

"The insignia we made famous was by no means original with the A.V.G.  Our pilots copied the shark-tooth design on their P-40's noses from a colored illustration in the India Illustrated Weekly depicting an R.A.F. squadron in the Libyan Desert with shark-nose P-40s.  Even before that the German Air Force painted shark's teeth on some of its Messerschmitt 110 fighters.  With the pointed nose of a liquid cooled engine it was an apt and fearsome design.

"How the term Flying Tigers was derived from the shark-nosed P-40s I never will know.  At any rate we were somewhat surprised to find ourselves billed under that name.

"It was not until just before the A.V.G. was disbanded that we had any kind of group insignia.  At the request of the China Defense Supplies in Washington, the Walt Disney organization in Hollywood designed our insignia consisting of a winged tiger flying through a large 'V' for victory."

From another site...

The German Luftwaffe had a squadron of twin engine Messerschmitt bombers (ME-110) in the Mediterranean theater during the initial stages of WWII. They were known as the Haifischgruppe or Shark Group whose aircraft nose was also decorated with the gaping shark mouth. The Champlin Fighter Museum has a pictorial display of the aircraft and some squadron pilots. Erick Shilling claims this was the original source for the P-40 Shark mouth.

Finally found a pic...



Another site,

It's the end of 1941 in Toungoo, Burma. One hears the tinking of temple bells. The melody carries through rustling bamboo bushes and flower-heavy flamboyants onto the burning landing-strip where a young pilot was busy daubing the nose of his machine. The job finished, Eric Shilling steps back a little to admire his work. The idea crossed his mind during an exotic meal with his missionary neighbour. There, Shilling uncovered a journal with a photograph of a luftwaffe Messerschmitt 110 stationed far away in the Mediterranean, named "Haifischgruppe" or Shark group.
So he was busy to adorn his Curtiss P-40 with the same gaping jaws. Above the double teeth rows he painted a menacing eye at both sides. Satisfied with the result, he left the field determinedly and returned with a svelte tanned man, sporty and with a piercing glance. The newcomer stepped back, observed the work from various angles and grinned approvingly.

Shilling said he wanted it as symbol of his group. But his companion, Claire Lee Chennault, thought it better to equip all the P-40 of the squadron with the same sign.

 

cool.

it's all pretty confusing as i think i'm wrong about ME 109's having them.

I'm thinking maybe alot of the Stuka J87-88's in the Russian campaignes had them.

and maybe the german world war I bi-planes?

anywas, thanks for the link

 

A B-17 is circling my head right now and it made me think of this thread. Also, in celebration of our nations independence, I thought I bring it back to the top and post a couple more pics.

 

Seem to have seen something similar somewhere before



Not quite the same but very close....

 

The way I understand it, the boys got home after WWII and started doing hot rods and motorcycles as a kind of replacement for the speed and excitement of a bombing raid over Dresden (for example, the original Hell's Angels were a group of AAF ground mechanics stationed in California). So the diffusion of the nose art into our culture (the hot rod culture, that is), was a result of that.

Plus, everyone knows hot rodders have great taste in art!

Am I correct?

Tucker

 

Here's some nose art also.

 

Dad took this photo of "Gypsy Princess" at Great Ashfield in England. She was with the 550 Squadron of the 385th BG. Most of the nose are on the base was done by Anne Haywood a young English Red Cross worker."Gypsy Princess" was one of the few planes to be flown home, and land at Bradley Air Port in Windsor Locks, Ct. then on to Kingman, Arazonia to be s****ed. If you are driving South on I95 on your way to the Road Agents Meet on the 15-16, look up at the sky when you p*** the Bradley Air Port sign, 60 years ago she was coming in for a landing.

 

Guys Im a a bitof a WW II and nose art warbird nut as well....a great , well researched book to get is "B17 Flying fortress &Nose Art Gallery" by John & Donna Campbell. Great book with heaps of killer B&W and color pix of B17's nose art and their crews.

Here are some pix from my archives....

Rat

 

A few more.... !!

"Nowhere to hide" is artwork from what I believe was a carrier based F18 serving in Afghanistan....you can see the Twin Towers of 9-11 and the scampering turban-headed terrorist in the artwork.

"Marge" is Major. Richard Bongs P38 from the Pacific theater. Marge was his sweetheart back in the States.

More to come....

Rat

 

Ok last lot....BTW, the P47 Thunderbolt in the prvious pic is "Wild Wabbit", one of the more famous/well known P47's based in England. A lot of the P47's had the now familiar scallops that we see on old pics of post WWII lakes rides.

The F4U-4 Corsair with the Jap Flag scalps is ace Major Greg "Pappy" Boyington's Corsair and was from the famous Blacksheep Squadron.

Nine o Nine B17 G was also based in England, flying missions with the 91st Bomb Group....same group as the Memphis Belle. Great artwork !!

Got heaps more......if ya wanna see' em !!

Rat

 

Just an FYI, if you are in Michigan or Indiana there is a HUGE airshow this weekend at Willow Run near Detroit. http://www.yankeeairmuseum.org and click on the Thunder Over Michigan link. Scheduled to appear...
8 B-17s
4 B-25s
2 B-24s... the ONLY two.
6 P-51s
4 P-47s
2 Helldivers... the ONLY two.

Plus you won't be able to throw a stick without hitting a T6.

We'll be there.

 

I saw these just last month at an air museum on Tillamook, OR. It was in a freaking HUGE blimp hangar. Most of the planes are still flown but you can walk around and check 'em out. Here's the site:

http://www.tillamookair.com/html/bldg.html

I also took some photos of engines they had on display. Some had cutaways which was pretty cool. I was surprised to see a Curtiss V8 from...1912! and the Rolls Merlin V12 and V24 were unbelievable. Here's link to those photos for those interested (you just have to scroll down past the typical vacation lighthouse, beach, etc. photos first).

http://homepage.mac.com/flash.magneto/PhotoAlbum12.html

 

Lots of nose art via links here http://www.90thbombgroup.org/noseart.htm (pacific theatre)
My father flew with the 5th Airforce/90th Bomb Group/321st Squadron known as the JOLLY ROGERS.....also the name of the car club I started. I used the name to honor his memory.

 

Actualy, the pics from WWII of "Pappy" Boyington of the number 86 "Lucybelle" corsair were staged in some rear area for a photo shoot after he bacame a four time ace... you can see that the meatballs on the plane are slapped on in a hurry, some are upside down and different size.

i had always taken that picture on face value untill i got a chance to speak to Robert McClurg, one of the few surviving Sheep . . . i asked if they always just slapped the jap flags on the cowl like in the #86 photo of Boyington, or if they were painted on.

He sort of chuckled and said that some guys had thiers painted on, but no one would allow thier kills to be displayed all crooked like that. then added "that wasnt Boyingtons plane anyhow, he flew a number 883, not 86 with VMF214"

 

Thanks for the link.

 

I wonder what kind of **** I would get if I put a bunch of swazies on my hot rod like those planes had.

 

Your car has nose art right? I think in that context, it wouldn't be too hard to figure out the intent.

I have entertained the idea of meatballs on my harley... but I don't have any nose art... yet.

 

theres a book out called "for the boys" by max allan collins. i got it great stuff in there.

 

from MAAM WW2 in Reading PA

 

I have an obsession with them, just not the money for them.

Used hang out some around Falcon field in Mesa, in their resto shop. I love that ****. Early jets are cool, but those piston drives were works of art.

 

this is the coolest thread ever. anymore shots of pin ups painted bomber style on hot rods? (keeps it on topic as well)

 

i been thinkin about a series of meatballs on the river rat... gotta get the rice burning "kills" first tho

 

I didn't see this link so I thought I would add this...

http://www.fightingcolors.com/velasco.htm

One would be ideal for the garage or bar...

 

i'm putting my wifes grand fathers logo off the hurricane he flew in ww2 on my dodge. I don't have a pic on file but it's pretty cool. No chick so the wife won't get upset