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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by D-Russ, Jul 6, 2008.

  1. Wow! Those garnish moldings look great! Nice work as usual Dave.
     
  2. D-Russ
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    I definitely won't be using the same guy that cut the windshield. I'm going to get a quote from a local place here in Richmond that I've heard and read good things about. I honestly have no idea how much gl*** should cost. Anyone want to venture a guess?


    Thanks man! The garnishes were super pitted when I started on them. BTW, that's just rattle can Rustoleum gloss black. :)

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  3. alchemy
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    I woulda guessed the prices would be the other way around. Tempered requires another operation (the tempering after cutting) so it should cost more, right?

    Laminated is perfectly fine for your side and rear window. It's been used since the 20's.
     
  4. ClutchDumpinDan
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    Wow, the garnish moldings look great!

    My dad had new side gl*** cut for his '58 Caddy. They charged $20 each for the door gl*** and $10 each for the vent windows. It was a local place that unfortunately went out of business a few months ago.
     
  5. Martin_F
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    I payed $40 (labor and material) for my wind shield. That was safety gl***.
    Not sure if tempered or laminated...
     
  6. Windshields around here have to be laminated. Tempered is fine for everything else. You want that windshield to stay together if something hits it rather than bust into a gazzilion pieces!
     
  7. Happy progress Dave.

    Laminated gl***, for your windshield won't shatter. Its supposed to stay together and remain in the hole
    The tempered gl*** is hard but shatters into 47 million little squares. Its supposed to break apart and clear the hole.

    Plate gl*** will break into lethal shards.

    For me, laminated windshield & tempered everything else.
    They used to use plate gl***. To many folks died.
     
  8. tex34ford
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    Dave, let me add my two cents to your gl*** questions. I worked at Pittsburgh Plate Gl*** for a number of years making the gl*** in question, the answer is: laminated gl*** for any or all of your windows. Tempered gl*** for side and back windows ONLY. tempered might be cheaper than laminated, but for your windshield use laminated gl***. It's a safety issue, period. Also, once gl*** is tempered it cannot be cut, period. A good gl*** man can cut laminated gl***. HTH
     
  9. ClutchDumpinDan
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    I'm still looking for a new gl*** shop, I'll need to get some cut for a chopped Shoebox one of these days :rolleyes:

    As soon as I heard the local place was closing I tired to buy there gl*** sander, they'd already sold it :(
     
  10. The37Kid
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    Dave, Get yourself an I&I Chevrolet parts catalog, they are in California. I installed all the window trim in two 1939 Chevrolets and really liked the look of all the stuff. The U shaped channel with the stainless steel bead on the edge really sets off the gl***. Bob
     
  11. ALEISTER
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    Dave, you may consider using laminated for all your windows, especially rolling windows. I found when I had gl*** cut, the radius corners are sanded to shape and once installed you may find you want to tweek that radius for true final fit. You may also find if you make your template pieces a real tight fit on the fixed pieces, they may need to be tweeked also. Not much room for clearance on a 32 Chevy rear or quarter window as there is very little sealing surface.
     
  12. 57 HEAP
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    I have a local gl*** shop working up a quote for you on tempered gl***, tinted and clear.

    I think the laminated gl*** would be the right way to go as mentioned above. I have laminated in the '57 except for the rear which is tempered.

    It appears that new cars have tempered side gl***, but they are all curved. The flat laminated gl*** would be easier to cut to size.

    Nice rattle can spray job. Looks professional.
     
  13. JeffreyJames
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    That all looks really good buddy!!!
     
  14. ALEISTER
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    Dave, my gl*** was cut to patterns, but was still just slightly oversized. I had to take the rear gl*** back for sanding. Also note that on the side gl***, too tight and gl*** will contact the screws retaining the gl*** run channel, too loose and the regulator will **** the gl*** into a bind. Fit has to be perfect. I guess a gl*** shop installing can sand to a perfect fit. My side windows were a tad narrow, and I had to slightly shim the gl*** run channel to get it it to run up & down smoothly.

    If you haven't already, check out "Restoration Specialties & Supply" for belt weatherstrip. They have a good selection and I was pleased with the product.
     
  15. scootermcrad
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    Lookin' good man! And great to see the car as well as finally meet you in Winston Salem!

    Curious to see what happens with the windows. Makes sense what others said on being able to sand the corners for the optimum fit.
     
  16. ALEISTER
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    I had it cut @ Clover Gl*** on Hull St. between Turner Rd. & Chippenham. They did good job, took a few days though.
     
  17. D-Russ
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    I got a much better price on laminated gl*** – $115 for all five pieces! I'll be paying Able Gl*** a visit.

    Mo, I realize you had a problem with them, but that's probably because you were having them chop a windshield. They should be able to cut flat gl*** just fine. :)
     
  18. That's a little cheaper huh? Does that include the polish of the edges on the two that roll down???
     
  19. 57 HEAP
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    Looks like you got a good price locally.

    What I got:
    25 3/4" x 7 1/2 " $30.17 <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
    2 each 12 3/4" x 19 1/2" $38.60 each<o:p></o:p>
    2 each 12 3/4" X 29 3/8" $49.49 each<o:p></o:p>
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    $206.19 plus tax
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    Tempered gl*** tinted or clear same price. Hop's Place in Hampton.
     
  20. D-Russ
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    I got my gl*** cut and it really looks good. It's clear, laminated and it matches the patterns perfectly. I'm very happy for an investment of $115.

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    I got the fixed rear gl*** in today. I glued a rubber gl*** gasket to the gl*** to seal that seam, but I didn't seam seal it into the window opening. I want to be able to take it out when I paint the car shiny.

    My club buddies will appreciate this:

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  21. Martin_F
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    Very cool, Dave!
    You'll notice a big difference driving in the rain now ;)
     
  22. 57 HEAP
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  23. scootermcrad
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    Dave, looks good! Looking forward to seeing you do the door windows! Please take lots of pics of the door window stuff, if possible! Pretty please! With sugar on top! I still need to get the felt channel stuff worked out on mine (a**** a million other things).
     
  24. D-Russ
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    All righty. Got my quarter windows in and operational. :)

    First, I got the original regulators working. The regulators and wood are original from 1931. I painted the top inside edge black because it shows from the outside.

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    I bought felt channels from Snyder's, along with the channel piece that clips to the regulator and holds the gl***. I had to cut down Tudor pieces because they're not available for Victorias.

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    I also bought some rubber gl*** bedding to hold the gl*** tightly in the channel. I sprayed the rubber down with gl*** cleaner and tapped it and the channel onto the gl*** with a rubber mallet.

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    Next, I screwed on the left side felt channel into the window opening.

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    I slipped the gl*** into that felt channel, slid the other felt channel onto the right side of the gl***, and pushed the gl*** into position. I then moved the gl*** up to the closed position and screwed the lower part of the right felt channel in. Once the lower screws were installed, I lowered the gl*** and screwed in the upper screws.

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    Then the spring loaded thingy at the bottom of the regulator gets inserted into the slot in the metal channel that holds the gl***.

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    Next, the wood that holds the regulator goes on.

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    After that, the garnish molding can be installed.

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    And here's a little video of the maiden voyage.

     
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  27. Martin_F
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    Very cool, Dave!
    Now I know who to ask, when I need help doing mine...
     
  28. scootermcrad
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    Awesome Dave!! Great tech, there!
     
  29. Yessir! You did indeed. I bought another set of wheels for the new WW's. The blackwalls will most likely go on the project after the next...
     

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