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1952 buick super starter

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by barry smith, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. barry smith
    Joined: Jun 26, 2012
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    barry smith
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    from Houston

    Need starter for 263 str 8, any one know where I can purchase a rebuilt one, or a good rebuilder?

    Mine turns very slow, new 750 cronking amp battery, it will start the car, but just bairly.
     
  2. F&J
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    I would get the original one rebuilt in your city. Look in yellow pages for "automobile electrical rebuilders" or something along those lines. There are some rebuilders still out there, doing cars/trucks, but also farm and off road construction generators/starters/alternators.
     
  3. barry smith
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    are thease startes hard to rebuild?
    Thanks!
     
  4. e1956v
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    To find a rebuilder in your area go to electricalrebuilders.org, you can search your area for a local shop. If you have no luck locally we can handle the rebuild for you, just contact me by PM or on our web site.
     
  5. Ebbsspeed
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    The mechanical bits of the starter are easy to rebuild, but if there's an electrical issue such as a short in the field or armature, it will need to be redone by a professional.

    Do you have good grounds? There should be a ground cable from the battery directly to the engine block, and of course if it's still the 6-volt system those cable's need to be large, not the little ones you typically see on a 12-volt system. Also keep in mind that a 6-volt system normally doesn't crank quite as fast as a 12 volt system does.
     
  6. barry smith
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    ok, will check the ground and other wire to make sure there is a good connection and the size of the wire.

    It is 6 volt, it does not turn but about 1/4 the speed of a 12 volt with new battery, have a 70 el camino next to it and compared them.

    If all is good from wiring, will check the posted link.

    Thanks!
     
  7. bobss396
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    I always use a local rebuilder myself. Consider having it done up for 8 volts and using an 8 volt battery as well to help with the cranking.

    Bob
     
  8. Hnstray
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    This 8 volt "superiority myth" needs to go away. There is nothing an 8 volt system can do that a 6 volt system in GOOD OPERATING CONDITION cannot do. And the 8 volts create problems of their own for other components in the system.

    There is a very modest HAMBER here in my town who runs an excellent starter/alternator/generator shop. He is very thorough and has a superb reputation. He does all manner of late model, early cars and trucks and many older farm applications. He has not solicited mail order business, but would probably accept it.

    If you can't find someone local, PM me and I will put you in touch with him.

    Ray
     
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  9. barry smith
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    thanks guys, allso forgot ot mention that it sometimes just cliks and will not turn at all, could it be just the selanoid ?
     
  10. Hnstray
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    yes, it COULD be just the solenoid........but as mentioned by others above, it could be any number of things, one or more, in the 'chain' of parts between the battery, cables, wiring, starter switch, solenoid or the starter itself. Any or all of them could require attention to cure the problem.

    A systematic trouble shooting procedure would be your best bet.

    Ray
     
  11. barry smith
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    ok, I checked the battery cables, they are fine, except the possitive wire to starter is huge, the ground looks like any other ground for 12 volt, so that is going to need replacing, it is monted to the engine mount.

    the wires all seem fine but have not checked with meter yet.

    working on several small isssues at once here.

    will pull starter and take to NAPA to check and see whats up .

    next is master and wheel cylinders.
     
  12. Hnstray
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    You say the ground cable goes to the engine mount. Where on the engine mount, exactly. While one side of the mount bolts to the frame rail, and the other side bolts to the engine, there is rubber between them. And rubber at the trans mount too, etc. Might consider putting the main battery ground strap to one of the starter mounting bolts and use additional ground straps between the engine, body and frame. You cannot have too many good ground paths.

    Ray
     
  13. barry smith
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    to frame rail, not having much luck removing starter, I located bolt on bottom but having troublle finding the one on top, I know the solinoid is propably bad, when i loosened the hot wire from the solinoid the nut and stud turned together and came apart.:(
     
  14. dtracy
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    When the bushings in the starter wear it causes the armature to be missaligned in the fields and if badly worn even rub on the fields, either of which will make the motor turn more slowly and consume more power. A load test as well as inspection would be good steps to take when you get it off. And as others have written, both those battery cables on a 6 volt are considerably larger than 12 volt systems, need to be clean and as short as possible.

    Dave.
     
  15. fryguy
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    If you are in still of a need for a starter, i have a brand new 12 volt starter that i just got rebuilt for my '53 263 straight 8. I bought a trans adapter to mount a turbo 400 behind the eight so I don't need the starter.


    Fryguy
     
  16. scotsmerc64
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    Kanter and Bob's Automobilia both sell rebuild kits I believe.
     
  17. motorgod7
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    Starters aren't the difficult part, I was told its the solenoids that are hard to find. good luck. My 51 always cranks slowly, yet always fires off.
     
  18. fryguy
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    Right, the starter is the easy part, its the 12volt solenoid thats a little more difficult to obtain.
     

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