*"Tis the last rose of summer"* The Sept. 2012 Banger Meet

Here is the banger link list .


For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

Flat Ernie maintains the monthly link list. Every month is listed:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498



Banger basics. another info link list:

http://www.fordgarage.com/

http://www.billsbangers.com

http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

Post #105 of link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=6

Model B rod bearing insert numbers
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484


Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
http://www.centuryperformance.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

Adjusting dual Strombergs:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

Helpful Model A tools and tips:

http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

Elrod's stuck head tech:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

Model A generator to alternator conversion:

http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:

http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculatorfin.jsp


Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"

http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05


Chevy Banger Stuff

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22469332/The-High-Speed-Internal-Combustion-Engine-Ricardo-1931

Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

Maybe these links should be posted early in each months meeting.

If anyone knows of more, please post them.

 

What do you guys think. Is this for a blower or for a turbo?

 

Guess it depends where you found it

 

It was given to me by a guy that knows nothing about bangers.

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Well, if it fits the exhaust ports its for a turbo, if it fits the intake ports, its a blower, right? I say turbo by the way its made to mount.

 

Thanks Crazy for the click-able link.

 

I'm about to install my super winfield head and I check to see I the piston came pass the block deck, and it did about .036 above the deck. Is that to high or will the gasket take up to clear?

Thank you Mike

 

Is your head relieved above the pistons?

If not, you will have problems with the piston hitting the head.

The head gasket crushes down to about .045" when torqued down.

You need at least .035" clearance cold between the top of the piston at TDC and the head.

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CDO, does that thing point up or down?

 

Anyone have a "B" fuel pump that might be available ? I sure would like to have a spare.
Thanks, Ron

 

that is a scary manifold. when the popoff valve does open it dumps air/fuel all over the place. could be interesting to watch.........

my guess is blower, if trying to limit turbo for any length of time it will get messy.

J

 

Is your head relieved above the pistons?

If not, you will have problems with the piston hitting the head.

The head gasket crushes down to about .045" when torqued down.

You need at least .035" clearance cold between the top of the piston at TDC and the head.

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Ron there are two in the classifides on here at the moment

 

Definitely blower, that valve is to prevent damage in the event of a backfire, not to limit boost. Looks like they were not too technical on their spring pressures however. You need more spring pressure than the maximum boost you are making.

Cheers,
Rob

 

Call Best gasket and ask regarding their B head gasket, I use the 573 G and was told by them that it compressed to .060. Jay steele advised me to leave at least .035 as that was the amount a SBC rod piston could/would grow when stressed. When I originally built my current Winfield flathead I had .026 .027 clearance and although it didn't last too long (crankshaft) I had no problems with clearance even running Al rods. On the current build of same engine I am using J and E pistons and as they recommend .040 I turned/faced.012 from the top of the pistons to achieve this spec. You will find most blocks will run close to .030 some even more depending on how many times the block has been decked.

Back to your original question, if it were mine I would find a gasket that didn't compress more than say .060 and go for it unless you are going to run El Mirage or Bonneville. Couldn't even hazard a guess as to how many heads with out fly cuts were and are just bolted on with out checking any clearance. Watch your timing! I ain't afraid as I don't live too close to Lompoc.

 

Thanks, Crazydaddyo and Fenderless in the N.W.
So it looks like I will not be using that head, I'm think of getting a Lion head. What do you guys think of that head? As I was getting ready to get thing going back together. I was check the point setting on my model B dist. and the shaft and bushing are real bad. So was check on get and newer dist. with a more modern type of point. Sacramento Vintage Ford, show they sale a mallory single point one, but they are close till tue. So I check out the internet and it seems as mallory just make a dual, at this time? Can a dual point dist. be made to work with just one set of points??
Mike

 

You can rebuild that B distributor for a lot less money and it will serve the purpose very well. New shaft (if needed$) 25.00 from Renners new weights and springs $ 30.00 from FS. that will give you 29 degrees advance. I have recently purchased 4 NOS Niehoff round caps for the AB distributor Renner also sells most of the movable parts. Most of the problems I have found in these distributor is that new bearings were installed with out oil hole drilled I have some of the large Mallory condensors. I'm afraid that some of the people who post here now are from the "Dial 800" builders. Check the distributor in the photo out!

 

What brand of head gasket are you guys posting about, a stock A? I have run with .026 clearance and the pistons did not hit the head at 4,000 RPMs! Most Winfield heads available now have no flycut and a good portion of them are just bolted on. The .035 figure was quoted as a limit for "stressed SBC engines.

 

Just Plain Bill,

Thank you, I'll be checking on the Best gasket and Renner. As would like to save money and use what I have

Mike

 

Thanks Rusty....Didn't even think to look there ...
Ron

 

Reddy

Before you install that gasket clip corner off so you can measure it's crush with a feeler gauge 1st torque and re-torque too

Then you've a guessing chance at piston to head and honest I think .060 is a good street number ....... but I slide into first on Ball Four

 

Well this is it I turned 60 this August and decided I better get going on my cars I have all ripped apart so I'm finally finishing my front cover I started over 10 years ago! So far every thing fits and functions like I expected.
I thought I would share some pictures as I go, next it goes on the dyno hopefully Wednesday and then in the car and off to the FAST meet Friday in Iowa, keep your fingers crossed.

 

I'm in the midst of rebuilding a 39 trans to back up my A motor.

There's a link to the flywheel mod at the beginning of each Banger Meet.
Excuse me for my inexperience but, if I take this info to a machinist, will this be all the info he'll need?

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Maybe you even know of a shop in the Philly Allentown or Reading area? I also need some machining done to complete a hydraulic brake conversion.

 

Great looking build Bill.


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My little banger two pot setup less than a foot long hot dog

 

Head Gasket compressed thickness.

Spent a few minutes this AM researching head gasket compressed thickness. Actually just one source, Fel PRO listings in Summit website. Found a range between .039 to .079. You can buy solid steel as thin as .010 for most performance engines. I just surfed through.

Found forum questions on Caddy Northstar engines where it was stated that the preferred gasket with the group posting has a compressed thickness of .066.

If you want to know the compression thickness of your particular gasket ask the manufacturer.

Before I would fly cut a head such as a Super Winfield I would pull the pistons out and face the desired amount off of the top as I have described in my engine. Before I faced I called JandE and asked how much I could safely face off. I 'm not going to say how much but it was quite a bit. A shade tree mechanic (my opinion), well known in 4 cylinder circles in Southern California, brought the compression on the 4 port engine I now have down from theoretical 16 to 1 to measured 10 to 1 by facing off the top of the SBC pistons. It was driven on the street while it lasted, problem was with the valve train not the pistons.

 

Where can I find the best reading on building (read "bolting on parts") a mild street A-banger? What's overkill, what's not recommended, what does/doesn't work together?

I have 2 stock A-bangers and want to keep a banger in my 30 Tudor. Any thoughts on a BUDGET 'banger build for a 4-newbie?

 

so cute. i could mount a pair of them on my XPAG.

 

This Saturday, like Bill, I will be at the Iowa hillclimb.
Here is a link to the event :
http://www.hotforhotfours.com/upcoming_events.htm

 

So, my figures are valid !!!!!!

Here is the easiest thing to do:

Clean your old head gasket and use it with your new head for a mock up.

Torque the new head down with the old gasket. Make sure there are no chunks or defects in the old gasket that will ruin your new head's surface.

With the spark pluck out, stick some 1/32" solid core solder in the plug hole far enough to get past the center of the piston, preferably to the far wall of the cylinder. Rotate the engine over past top dead center. Do this one cylinder at a time. If the solder gets crushed, measure the thickness and that is your clearance. If it is less then @ .025" then you need to create more clearance. If it doesn't get crushed, your golden.

If all cylinders are good, take the head off and install the new gasket.

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