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*"Tis the last rose of summer"* The Sept. 2012 Banger Meet

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Crazydaddyo, Sep 2, 2012.

  1. Crazydaddyo
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    Hi Compression head $250 - $650
    Cam $125 - $385
    Down draft Intake $250 - $500
    94 carb $50 - $200 ea.
    97 carb $100 - $400 ea.
    Header $155

    Cheapest set up :
    Brumfeild 6:1 head and Model B carb = @ +15-20 hp $500 - $750

    most money:
    Vintage flat head W/@ 7:1 CR, Winfield type grind cam, Dual 97's = @ +25-35 hp $900 - $1500


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  2. noboD
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    I like Bluto's idea of snipping off a corner of the gasket too, and useing a feeler gauge to measure the crush. WIth a depth mike before the head is on, and a little math you would also know how much clearance there is.
     
  3. I would add this, mike, (measure in thousands of an inch), the old gasket before doing this. Compare this thickness to the compression figure supplied for new gasket. All of this assumes you can clean the old gasket.
     
  4. Crazydaddyo
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    Yes, good practice, but if there is not enough clearance, then you have ruined a new gasket.


    Last year I was on a local run and blew a head gasket about 80 miles from home. One of the guys on the run had a friend with some used head gaskets nearby. I picked the best one (Copper Felpro), sprayed it with copper cote and re assembled it. Not only did it get me home, but I ran it for another 1,000 miles or so until I changed it. Running a 7.65:1 head.


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  5. All I use is felpro 3 layer gaskets. You can actually order them from Vatozone
     
  6. BCCHOPIT
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    X2
    Well put DaddyO....
     
  7. walls
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    Where do you get a brumfield head these days though? Or did he start making them again?

    Any help on my flywheel question up above?
     
  8. Crazydaddyo
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    There was a recent run of heads, I don't know if there are any left. I see them quite often for sale in the Ford Barn classifieds.

    Yes, if you take those dimensions to a machine shop, they should be able to do the mods. If the want to of course. But if you are going to a V-8 clutch and pressure plate it will need other mods.

    The only place I know of in your neck of the woods is Bill Stipe:

    http://www.specialtymotorcams.com/pages/products.html


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  9. BCCHOPIT
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    I am gearing up for a small run of flywheels. I have A&Bs fly wheels if I can help PM me.
     
  10. walls
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    Do you happen to know of a thread for this info?
    This kinda stuff (most stuff) puts me in over my head.
    I'm sure it'll come out alright in the end but, I'm definitely at the mercy of those more knowledgeable.

    I pm'd ya
     
  11. firerod
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    I posted this on the Ford Barn and got no replies. Since crack free "B" blocks are hard to find and "A" blocks are available. What would have to be done to install an "A" engine into a stock 32' chassis instead of a "B" engine?
     
  12. Crazydaddyo
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    All you would have to do is adapt the B pan to fit the A rear main bearing housing. The area were the pan seals around the cork seal are different radii.. The A being smaller. there are two pan bolts in the rear that will have to be transfered from the B pan and drilled and taped in the block.
    The B upper flywheel cover will be needed and will bolt up to the A block. You should also use the B timing cover too.


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  13. I am pretty sure that CDO is correct on this.
    Would using the A Mod pan and flywheel housing work also?
    I guess it would depend on the trans, '39 adaptor rings are available and then you have a more desirable trans. Or, does the '32 pedal assy interfere with the A housing?

    No, this is not a "housing kit", just a lesson in what not to do.
     

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  14. Crazydaddyo
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    I was assuming he was using the stock trans.

    If not, it is easier to stick with the A pan and flywheel housing and adapt what ever trans would be used to the A set up.

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  15. firerod
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    CDO, I will be using a 39' trans, stock 32' frame with k-member and pedals.
     
  16. SMOKINFLATHEAD
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    I recently bought a truck with a hot model B in it. I was wondering if anyone has an idea of where to purchase a head gasket for a Cragar OHV head other than Miller?
     
  17. brjnelson
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    The B cover will help with front motor mount, but, the B timing pin is not in the same spot that an A timing pin is in.
     
  18. Crazydaddyo
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    But if you use the B distributor, all is good.

    I would use the B distributor.

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  19. Crazydaddyo
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    Steve Serr sells them.

    His web site:
    http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/

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  20. Best gasket lists them. Or they list one for a Miller anyways. You will have to find a dealer as they do not ship direct. I bought my last Model B head gasket from Egge.
     
  21. RobC
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    Forgive me if this has been shared here before,I found it today and thought it was cool on a number of levels including recycling junked parts.

    Cheers,
    Rob

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  22. Bluto
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    Over the years I've gotten severl versions of a timing device for flat head motors. A scale or dial indicator with interchangable foot. This goes in the spark plug hole and the foot goes over to the piston to tell you TDC. I suspect there is a way to make this yourself ..... I'll try to find one out in the mess and post photos if I do

    I even have a set-up for dual points
     
  23. I too am very interested in bolting a '39 trans to an A engine. I have both the trans, engine, A flywheel and clutch parts ('29 style) and two pair of V8 pressure plates and clutches.

    When you buy the adapter from Macs or wherever else, seeing as i'm using '40 pedals separate from the trans do i simply need the adapter and the wishbone mount?

    Do you just run a stock A flywheel? What about using the V8 clutch and pressure plate?

    I too am fairly over my head with this conversion and cannot seem to find a complete write up on it to the point that if it wasn't for Australias ridiculous rego laws i'd just throw my 21 stud in instead and make life 20x easier, despite how neat i still think a banger would be.
     
  24. Crazydaddyo
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  25. If you buy the complete kit you will receive things that you do not need such as pedal mounts, some sources will sell you just those parts you need. So the answer to question 1 is yes. You can run a stock flywheel but most remove weight to improve acceleration. If you will PM me your email I will send you some information regarding lightening the stock flywheel and modifying for the V 8 clutch. THese things are better done in a shop with experience in this type of work. I would hope that some one in the land of Oz would read your post and contact you with information and sources.
     
  26. Brendan1959
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    Gasket or not to gasket, that is the question?
    What do you think can I get away with a silicon sealant or sould I make some gaskets?
    Brendan
     

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  27. Thanks Bill, i will pm you now!

    I have already considered removing weight from the flywheel, i suppose i meant a stock flywheel in the sense that you would use that, as opposed to the flathead v8 flywheel.

    I know there is a fair few machine shops local to myself so i'm sure i will have no problem finding a shop that can do it, or perhaps one of my fitter and turner mates may be able to do it for me.

    I look forward to your email.

    Nick.
     
  28. RussTee
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    Gasket for sure you may even want to look at a composite spacer this type of set up often benefits from that.
     
  29. Well back from the Iowa FAST meet the engine ran great no problems all the way there and back I put on over 675 miles and it purred like a kitten.
    We run 51.9 MPH at the meet in the M-2 class.
    My son Tony drove it back and we decided not to take the back roads home like when we came. We run I-90 for 145 mile at 68 to 70 MPH 2700 RPMs it never missed a beat!
    I am so happy with the performance I followed in the Ford ranger on the way back and was down shifting to 3 gear when Tony walked away from me on the hills!
     

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  30. CA 31 Victoria
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    September 16, 2012
    Paso Robles, CA
    16th Annual EFV8 Club
    Swap Meet

    Bring the family and enjoy a weekend on the Central Coast and a great Swapmeet on Sunday.
    (Pismo Beach will be in the Mid 70's next weekend!!!!)

    Send me a PM with your email for more information.
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