stuff in OIL PAN???? need some help

cam gear?

 

My guess is a stray pc. of cork gasket that got chewed up in there.

 

just looks like crud to me. check your oil pressure and run it.

 

Looks to me like the remnants of J.C. Whitney engine overhaul pills. Put one in each spark plug hole, the rest in your gas tank, and the worn metal on your rings and bearings will magically replace itself!

 

I do hope that it all turns out well. I know that it was this guys employee that f'ed up. It does sound like he does want to make it right.
Those 223's may not be horse power monsters but they are super dependable. Like others have said keep any eye on the oil pressure and pay close attention to it.

 

Does a 223 have steel or phenolic cam gears? I've seen the same looking stuff in the bottom end of a couple of 300 cu.in. Fords. What about valve seals?

 

No fiber timing gear, it is a timing chain with metal sprockets (sorta like a SBC)

Check the endplay of the crank and the mains, if it all seems good I would just slap the pan on it and watch the oil pressure. If something does look bad, make a decision on what motor you want to go with in the future. You should be able to find a decent 223 for a couple hundred bucks, as no one wants them.

 

Why would any paid mechanic not wipe a sample of those mystery bits and save em' on a clean shop towel?
That much **** in an oil pan would have only taken a magnifying gl*** & magnet to see what they could have been.

If you had a good mechanic, he could at least check one main bearing and one connecting rod bearing before putting that pan back on.
I would not trust the skills of the guy who didn't look further before he steamed them bits away.

 

Looks like the mess a cut off blade on a grinder makes when you section an oil pan.........

 

I hope the O/P remembers, if it made it's way up to the top of the engine- it went THROUGH the engine.

 

If the engine has good/normal oil pressure and no funny nosies don't worry. I've seen that sort of deposits in older engines before,mostly carbon chunks and odd bits of gaskets etc. About what I would expect to see in the pan of a 50 year old engine that probably has not seen stellar maintenance. And I'm with other about saving a sample and testing with a magnet. Some people should not be allowed around tools and this shop is high on the list. Not a ounce of common sense there!!!!

 

pull the valve cover,pull a couple rod caps ,see what you have. go from there...

 

thats what id do as long as it runs fine. check the thrust bearing maybe you cam is walking and the lifters are getting chewed up.

make sure its metal shavings not just rust and carbon build up

 

Amen!!

 

And I sure as hell would not let the guy/shop currently working on it touch anything other than the oilpan. As I said no sense common or otherwise in that shop.

 

Oil-soaked mouse droppings !

 

I would have at least wiped the pan with a napkin and put it in a coffee cup to show you.

Bob

 

Yup, cam gear. See item #8 http://www.corvair.com/user-cgi/catalog.cgi?function=goto&catalog=MAIN&section=MAIN&page=25

Corvairs, go figure. But more importantly, since the OP doesn't know whether the crud was metal or not, a magnetic drain plug is an easy way to check for the continued appearance of shavings without removing the pan.

 

I RECIEVED the picture via text from the owners wife....I was not able to call and check how he determined if it was metal or not...he very well may have checked with a magnet.....I am going out to shop Tomorrow to figure out everything and will ask more questions... I plan on taking to an engine shop to have it gone through anyway. Need to change gaskets etc...I kind of just want my truck back from that shop so Ill figure it out after....I ONLY want them finishing my Suspension and peopl familiar with the situation would understand exactly why

 

I don't think you have anything to worry about. It looks like typical old hardened sludge and not much of it for an engine that old.

Years ago I took apart a 1952 Chrysler hemi that had the same kind of junk in it. Only it had a couple of shovels full. No kidding it looked like somebody crunched up a couple of boxes of corn flakes and threw them in the engine.

I took off the pan, valley cover and valve covers. Cleaned out all the crud. Cleaned the valve lifters (the problem was noisy lifters) put on a used oil pump and put everything back together. It ran great.

So, what you see in that picture is nothing. I still can't believe an engine that old is so clean inside. Either it was rebuilt not too many years ago or the previous owners were real Felix Ungers on oil changes.

 

i would cut and run fast from these rookies them sue their ***es off for what they screwed up already.

 

Could it be casting sand? I have heard of a few engines that had casting sand floating around inside them.But I will admit that I am not familiar with what it looks like.

 

Went and checked on truck....he did save all the stuff in oil pan for me and he did check with magnet prior to letting me know to confirm metal.....he said he did see anything with oil pan off showing obvious diagnosis. I will inspect further when I get truck home.....he did say it looked super super old


I don't want to have him start takin stuff apart and looking for problem...I will take to an engine mechanic....he is doing a great job on the suspension and that's really all I expect from him....