bloody nanny state!!! (victoria)

Don't sweat it I know a few PEs and don't doubt we can get a sealed document if we are anywhere close to safe.

 

The hot rods in the 60s where all drum brakes... Hemis, BBC chevy and Fords? I am kinda lost.

 

You guys are trying to let common sense and logic get in the way - that's got nothing to do with this.
The name of the thread says it all - if you change motors or give them any chance to believe it's to get more performance out of the car - they invoke the 'protect your sorry arse' Nanny Stateness thinking for you - all because they are 'making sure' you don;t get killed by your own stupidity.
It is not the engineer's choice - it is normally a requirement of the registration authorities, and the rules is made by politicians - it's them that generally don't understand our style of cars, and if they do like cars, they're into old Jags or MG's or Healeys or whatever steaming oil leak spins their wheels.
Hmmmmmm, this still feels like a rant - thanks guys.

 

Most of which don't have disc brakes. But you are right it's the nanny state crap.

David

 

Looks like the next step is requiring anti-lock brakes on the back of your hot rod...

If the engineer signs off, is his ass on the line if the car kills someone? Then the problem is the legislators and the lawyers and the courts.
Don't blame the engineer -- get yer foolish laws changed.

 

I suspect you have hit the nail on the head, maybe not so much money as having to actually take responsibility for something by signing on the bottom line.

 

I run 121 + mph in the 1/4 mile and stop with 39 Ford front brakes and 57 Olds rear brakes just fine!!!

 

a 53 DeSoto 6 should look identical to a 34-up Mopar 6. 1933 and older, the non-water jacketed cylinders show on the side of the block, all the later ones till 59 do not.

What is the HP of a 34 Mopar 6?

if you get what I am suggesting.

 

Try the 30's HotRodders,they just about all run those big finned buick brake drums,odds are they're all overpowered,find out how they got around it, Gaz!

 

There is a standard fee for your inspections as ruled by the ASRF (our governing body for hotrod building).

 

locking up the wheels is not the fastest or safest way to stop. your argument is just silly.

 

I doubt anyone could say it any better than he did.

 

As lucky as we are in the U.S.A., it could happen here. The real problem is BIG government wants to protect you from cradle to grave. We just have to be vigilante and make sure it doesn't happen here.

 

A 53 DeSoto six is only 116HP. What kind of Chev came with less than 93HP? If you told the inspector it was an 85HP engine would he know the diff? Or, does he know the chassis is not the one that motor came in?

I found out a long time ago the rule does not need to make sense it just has to be the rule. Don't argue, give them what they want. Recently I had a similar hassle getting a building permit for a deck on a waterfront property I own. You are not allowed to build on a flood plain but you are allowed to repair or replace a pre existing structure. I built a heck of a nice deck 12' X 30', all up to code but with no building permit.

I got busted and the Conservation Authority inspector threatened to make me tear down the deck, until I gave him 4 photos (photoshopped) showing an old deck on the house. Then he smiled and gave me the permit.

No doubt, he needed some kind of evidence to protect himself from getting in trouble over that deck. Once he had that, he didn't care.

It doesn't have to make sense. It only has to be the rule.

 

Queensland is probably less dictated to and reasonably easier to get a rod registered on LH9 category.All of the inspections are done for a fixed fee except now you have to do a brake test that costs extra.In my case it was $600+ but I have heard that some engineers are charging over $1000 for that.
My channelled 32 roadster runs a 327 and I have early Ford brakes on the front and 9" rear with drums.No booster required when I did my rego.
It stops just fine but of course I have a lot less weight.

 

101 hp according to my factory service manual. it's going into a '27 chev roadster pickup. the engine has an engine number on it, im guessing they'd hafta check that against some sort of register?

 

No, that guy doesn't do inspections anymore

I would first speak to Peter Koning. (ex Hoppers Stoppers, now ASRF) As far as I know braking is signed off based on performance testing, not what it looks like.

I also had some dealings early on in my build with Bill Malkoutsis from Eltham. He is a VASS engineer and his backgtound is as an engineer for PBR brakes.

My modified stops pretty well with '40 drums.

Pete

 

I'd bet money the Montecarlo 4 wheel disc brakes on my Comet would fall short in the braking department when compared to the 4 wheel drum brakes that were on my 56 Buick.




Common sense would dictate that disc brakes are much more efficient than drum brakes, you also know in what direction you are going to stop.

 

Every truck I have driven had drum brakes.

 

Australian Street Rod Federation, nothing about hot rod in that tittle! Not my governing body, I remember the Penrith Nationals, oh ye,That organisation and its lack of kultural understanding of the genises and roots of our sport is slowly killing what subscribers from Australia that visit this forum in general stand for, Over zealous, self serving, low performing demi gods , dont get me started!

 

I don't know what planet your on Ruggie, but thats not true. It may be where you are, but not here. They charge what they want, its arbitory at best. it cost me $1200 to get my roadster engineered and it just had its 10th birthday on the road.

My father just got his coupe fully engineered and I don't know exactly how much that was but over 2k and I don't think there was much change from 3.

Wardog, please do the smart thing and get everything in writing, as the issue I know has happened , is that you get the OK, but as these things don't take 5 seconds to build, your on your merry way and the next inspection you find out that what you were told last time or 12 months ago, isn't the go anymore, and you can imagine the issues that can cause.

the whole engineering thing in this state seems akin to the dark arts or a secret society, its a pity, as the majority of guys want to do the right thing, but its not easy...

 

God bless you my son . Nothing but a bunch of Communists I wouldn't piss on them f&@in assholes if they were in fire

 

Move to N.Z.?

 

So how much trouble do you get in if you build a car so it passes the engineering anal exam, then conveniently say your engine "blows up" and you put another, larger one in it?

 

i heard a story that there is a new guy doin engineering for the Geelong street rodders, im not in the club......., but the story goes, he likes good cars, and previously worked a fords!!!......., maybe try them, and see how ya go???

 

"My father just got his coupe fully engineered and I don't know exactly how much that was but over 2k and I don't think there was much change from 3."

Bit high there mate, total cost was $1350 with $250 for first inspection, $800 for final inspection and $300 for travel costs. I shared travel costs with 3 others on the first inspection and with one other on the second. I also had the "20 stops" brake test, handbrake test and drive-ability test done by my Roadworthy tester and signed off by him when he was doing the RW and that cost just over $300 so that has to be taken into the costs. The engineer did do the noise test though so I saved on that.

 

Just been through all this myself.. For street rod registration you stiil need to do the braking test and it is pretty severe. you have to do six stops from 100 kph with no more than a 20 second interval between stops. They are obviously checking for brake fade and i dont know if a drum brake setup wpuld do it. Proof is needed from the printout on the test machine. There seems to be a lot of talk around at the moment about the test requirement being over the top.

 

Flatoz. Thanks for the heads up. I think i will be keeping track of all of my conversations and definately saving all of my emails just to be sure.

 

Rustynewyorker - "So how much trouble do you get in if you build a car so it passes the engineering anal exam, then conveniently say your engine "blows up" and you put another, larger one in it?"
Rusty, my old mate, you have hit the nail on the head right there.
Make it look stock, get it registered, the rod the absolute crap out of it.
The wankers at the registration authorities don't want to have to think about whether you've done everything safely, all they want is for the thing to be stone stock, so they can just give it registration.
If you modify it aftrerwards, you only have the coppers to worry about when you're doing that monster burn-out to impress the bimbos.