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3 speed stalling in first? Need some help.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by TrioxinKustoms, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. TrioxinKustoms
    Joined: Oct 16, 2009
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    from Romney, WV

    59 Chevy inline six, 3 on the tree that someone put on the floor stalls in first when I try to pull it in the shop. Its uphill a little, it bogs out and stalls in first. Is it something I'm doing wrong?
    Vacuum, carb?

    need some help.
     
  2. KoolKat-57
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    Accelerator pump might need some attention, give it a little more gas!
    KK
     
  3. TrioxinKustoms
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    I've tried that, It has a t******* kinda sound going on. Is the clutch going out?
     
  4. propwash
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    sounds like a bad engine mount to me
     
  5. JohnEvans
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    How does it act if you try to move it in second ,slip the clutch some . Does it want to move OK then? If so you may be trying to get into 2 gears at once. What does it do in reverse? Same as low?
     
  6. TrioxinKustoms
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    I haven't noticed any issue in reverse but then again I've only moved it in and out of the shop. I'll try everything I can think of and get back to you guys.
     
  7. propwash
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    Forgot about that. John makes a good point. Those old column-shift Chevs had a bad habit of the shift levers on the column getting jammed up. Operator had to get out, lift hood and manipulate them. If they're sticking in 2nd gear, that's why you're stalling. Half my buddies in HS had those things (216/235 3/tree) so I've seen it done dozens of times. Led to us designing and building a very low budget floorshift that eliminated the problem. Never happened to any of my Fords or Mercs 'in the day'.
     
  8. TrioxinKustoms
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    the shifter is on the floor, it looks like the motor mounts might be the issue. They are redneck made for sure Only saw one bolt on the p***enger side and not sure there is anything in the driver side. It thumps in first and second and stalls.
     
  9. TrioxinKustoms
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    just for future knowledge how does motor mounts cause stalling?
     
  10. KoolKat-57
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    The engine moves and the thottle linkage can jamb, or move and reduce engine speed!:eek:
    KK
     
  11. LowKat
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    Sounds like it's in 2 gears at once. Does it seem bound up and doesn't try to move?
     
  12. TrioxinKustoms
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    If you ride the **** out of the clutch it will move, but if you try to let out of the clutch normally it will just thump and jerk until dies. Almost like I'm trying to start off in second or something.
     
  13. R Pope
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    Does sound like motor mounts, you say the drivers side has no bolt? That's the side that lifts under torque and causes the problem. The movement causes the throttle and clutch linkage to get out of whack and jerk like crazy. Get someone to stand beside it with the hood open, when it starts jerking they will see the engine moving sideways.
    I put a chain from the engine to the frame on one car as a temporary road fix, and ran it like that for all summer!
     
  14. Rusty O'Toole
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    2 possible causes:

    Engine is running like a sack of ****, or

    You accidentally have it in 3d gear.

    Suggest you check out these things. Summon the Goon Squad to shove it inside, do a compression test, tune up the motor, if it still doesn't work check the trans and shift linkage.
     
  15. TrioxinKustoms
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    I have it inside, gonna grab a carb kit and some other stuff.. I actually have a full gasket kit for this motor lying around.
     
  16. 49ratfink
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    take off the parking brake.
     
  17. 40FordGuy
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    I'd check to see if the shifter "that someone put on the floor" is actually shifting it into the correct gear.....Time to get under the critter and check.

    4TTRUK
     
  18. MATACONCEPTS
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    Are the intake seal RINGS installed properly? Has the intake even been messed with?
     
  19. TrioxinKustoms
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    I'm not sure, I'll check it out. It looks like the motor was gone through at some point.
    The Vacuum advance is toast
     
  20. TrioxinKustoms
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    went through and rebuilt the carb hoping that would help. still does the same stuff. Has a miss at idle I noticed too.. what a nightmare.
     
  21. RWENUTS
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    If the motor torques to the p***enger side you get generally close to WOT. Factory installed a torque strap until they changed over to a cable linkage around 1969.
    Maybe your 3 on the floor has been hooked up wrong. Your normal H pattern of R,1,2,3 is now 2,3,R,1.
    Starting in 3rd is what's happening. Try starting in the normal 3rd gear position and see what happens.
     
  22. TrioxinKustoms
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    Okay I thought I would update this thread in case someone else has the same issues in the future.
    I rebuilt the carb, ran better but didn't help. Scratched my head a little and really started to think about it. It was falling on its face at higher rpm so it had to be a vacuum problem. Pulled the dist. and retrofitted it with an aftermarket advance. Brought the engine up to TDC and dropped the dist. back in. Fired it up, it ran really weak so I advanced the timing a little and back out the mixture screw. It worked really well*--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------**********************************-***----------*******************-*.

    My *-10 month old daughter helped me type that last part.

    thanks guys---*********!
    -+7

    ha ha
     
  23. LowKat
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    glad to hear you got it working!
     
  24. TrioxinKustoms
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    thanks, it runs pretty nice now. Needs more front end work but I can take it up and down the road.
     

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