Are Doug's Headers USA Made?

Yep, that liberal nonsense is ran rapid, a seemingly common sense is not at the reigns...

What headers come with the coveted 3/8 flange?.... or thicker?

In the dear words of my late father, " it's not much for looks, but she's sure the **** stout!"

 

.......And then go out of business because they don't have the positive bottom line to stay in business.

The costs are rising, rather than raising the selling price to compensate, and hope that the end user will buck up, they shifted productions south and can maintain the same selling price as before, AND, have a positive bottom line.

It's is simple economics.

 

We still make all Doug's Header's with 3/8" flanges - and there is zero reason to go any thicker than that.

 

Hedman has great flanges. My everyday drivers have lasted me 18 yrs..

 

CA is driving people and businesses out of the state and country with their costly regs. Businesses have to survive and make choices that they may not like, but must make. I don't know what is so hard to understand, their costs aren't any less, that by moving they keep their costs from going up.

Currently all my products are made in the USA, but I sure understand the business decisions that have to be made.

 

Not everyone is in a high priced 'hobby'. I have many ol cars that are daily drivers and no modern cars. Its a way of life for many of us, not a hobby. I do buy Pertronics products

 

Don't blame the player, blame the game. Our government has over-regulated us to death and forced business owners to make these decisions to keep afloat.

 

Didn't meqn to turn this whole thread south (no pun intended). I understand the ****ed up ways of Calf. My wife moved there for a few years when she was frsh out of school and I have heard the many horror stories. There are still a lot of states in the good ol' USA that are industry friendly. Hell, come on out to Indiana, with all the steel mills they wouldn't even notice a little old header companies! I hear a lot about government regulation but in some ways we do have to have it (maybe not as harsh as Calf). If we didn't we would have the same water issues as Mexico and China. Without it the greedy big businesses would **** the land and destroy everything around us in the name of profits.
One thing to remember in the whole workman comp game is as your labor rates increase you can attract and keep a better employee. When you employ true craftmen the BS claims go away and with decent wages you not only get good employees you also get loyal employees.

 

Yes Made In America means made in one of the 50 United States and also that the people who work in these plants are actually citizens of the United States

 

I put a set of Doug Thorley fenderwell exit headers on my '62 Dart in 1966. They lasted until 1971 when they finally rusted out. They were beautiful headers and looked awesome on the motor as wheel as in the wheel wells. I tried to replace them and was told the company had been sold to "JR Headers" in Michigan. I ordered a new set but they weren't close to the original style.

 

I gotta call ******** on the "we had to go to Mexico to survive" ****. You can't tell me that "it's the same workers and now they have a shorter drive home" and expect me to believe it. You took the company to Mexico because it is cheaper; the workers do not have the benefits or protection they have in the USA, and it that is how you want to make a living, fine, but quit trying to ******** us into thinking there is nothing wrong with you buying a US company and taking it south. Give me a friggin break.

 

I have to agree. I'm not gonna get over it either. Screw this idea that companies that go offshore have our best interests in mind. What the hell, do none of you people make stuff for a living? How can any of you possibly think that going south to get away from the bad ol' American government is a good thing?

 

I might add that this isn't just restricted to "Dougs headers" there is nothing made in America anymore. try tofind something besides a Henry rifle that is!! I think the only thing not made in China is Chinese food!!lol
JimV

 

Most people in California cannot afford to play in our hobby to any reasonable extent anyway...As an employee at a company that sells these parts, there are now products that I am not allowed to sell, at any price, to anyone with a California shipping address, and almost every set of headers we sell is "49" state legal, with only a few listed as "For offroad use only in California." Makes it hard to afford a hobby in a state that prohibits the use of a lot of the hot rod upgrades that would otherwise keep hotrodding affordable. I am glad to see that some Californians perservere and build some really good hot rods in the process!

 

Yes

 

If you want to manufacture or move your business "offshore", no problem.
But you should not be able to keep your USA citizenship.

Want to manufacture in Mexico or China?
Become a citizen there.

Owners should not be allowed USA citizenship if they want to have their businesses out of the USA.

American businesses are not American businesses if the product is not made here.

 

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Its his right to move his company anywhere he wants. Its your right to not buy his product because he did so.

 

Somebody give this guy a cigar!!!....

 

***** about the insane US regulations making these manufacturers move production to foreign countries, not the companies themselves. Most of you patriots have no idea what they have to go through here, if you knew even a small amount of it, it would curl your hair. Want more US manufacturing jobs? You're barking up the wrong tree. Get involved with groups that pe***ion the government on these issues, even though that actually takes more effort than complaining on an internet forum.

-KK

 

I know of a lot of companies that moved production long before many of the BS regs were put into place. It all boils down to the fat cats $$$. Why do you think this country is in the ****ter!

 

Exactly!! Like i said there are states that aren't as regulated as Cali.I'm a New Yorker who moved to RI in the 80s and let me tell ya NY is putting itself right out of business with its laws, regulations & taxes!! Companies are running to the Carolina's everyday just to get away from high utility bills & unions! BUT if they took the "cali" cop out they would move to Canada!!
As it stands now most of the timber industry in Maine uses Canada.They cut it send it across the boarder were its cut & milled then sent back here!
****in industry is going to hell in a bucket, working man doesn't stand a chance anymore.!!lol
jimV

 

You're obviously very upset, but this is just like closing the barn door AFTER the horse is gone.
You sound as if you didn't know about this sort of thing until recently. Don't you recall the debate surrounding NAFTA, twenty years ago? Don't you recall Ross Perot stating; "that ****ing sound you hear is US jobs goin' south"? That was in the late 1980's. Hundreds of thousands of US jobs from damn near ever industry moved there long ago. The world today is a very different place than what you remember. It is a global economy, no matter how much you dislike that fact.

 

Wal Mart is 92% percent non American, but almost every one shops there and sends our cash outside the USA, try not to shop there, it takes a effort and then are you getting American products? The picture is clear and if YOU, the real boss of the USA do not change things soon, ie, fire the current employees and start fresh, it will be over for you soon, and your children? Don't you care about them? GO VOTE and restart the USA! SOON!!!!

 

Amen brother!
JimV

 

Can't blame anyone for moving the operations to Mexico. Work in a union shop and put up with their ******** for a while.

 

I work in manufacturing and I know first-hand the struggles with producing product here in the USA. We do a lot of medical stuff with injection molding and the Medical is the only reason why it can still be produced here in the USA. We also do several other major jobs for major american companies (so yes, some of the thingsyou use everyday are still produced here!). Medical components are rarely produced in places like China and Mexico (where plastics has all gone) because we can't trust and gaurantee the quality over there. I get spam emails everyday from chinese compe***ors trying to scam business from the USA. We've had foreign compe***ion photograph our products at trade shows only to put them on their websites and claim them as their own. It's insane. We do not operate or work with Unions and all of our American employees are very well taken care of and most of them have been here for many years. We're proud to produce USA product right here on the home soil; products that save and improve people's lives everyday. It takes a lot of effort to stay competetive in this business and keep customers and their business here in the states but we think the effort is very much worth it in the end.

On a side note one of our customer's convinced our management to start looking in Mexico to open a second shop down there. We considered it heavily right down to looking at buildings to purchase. We eventually backed out because the workforce was questionable, quality was questionable, and the entire thought went against who we are...We're a proud American owned and operated business and it needs to stay that way.

In terms of customers and the people we do work for: The mold-makers make molds for just about anything; not just medical components. The majority of our production, however is medical-based. The mold-making end of the business is constantly struggling because it is that hard to compete with China. The majority of American owned companies honestly dont care if its American-made. It's all about money in their eyes and their profit. They could give a rats *** about the American workforce and if the molds are cheaper in China; they'll go there to puchase one.

On a side note: owning a business in California is extremely difficult because of their laws and howmuch they favor the worker. Even the lazy do-nothings will succeed over the honest employer who was taken for a ride by the employee. With that being said; i agree with the others claiming BS on the "we had to go to Mexico". I understand its money motivated decision but lets be realistic...