I'm teariing down several F1 and F100 frontends I've got laying around making rust that come out of trucks we've did the M2 **** to. My question is I have 2 that I'm fairly confident are F1, but one has the bolt-on steering arm on both sides, while the other has the right side arm cast into the spindle. Did they make the F1 both ways? The kingpin looks to be the same in both, haven't tried to knock the pins out yet. (Ain't gonna bother with the one ifs it F100), but the other I'm keeping the spindles for sure. I also had a '40 setup I took apart yesterday that I'm getting ready to list the spindles, backing plates and drums on ebay. Also have '39 wide 5 front drums and backing plates in excellent shape going on the block also.
I BELIEVE the F1 had a cast steering arm on the right and a bolt-on arm on the left. But I haven't looked at one in ages. I KNOW the F100 had bolt-ons on both sides. That means...you either have one of each or the F1 with a bolt-on right arm is a rare beast...due to the KPI differences that allow F1 spindles to bolt up to early axles...whereas F100 don't.. (Or it could be a cobble job of F1-F100 parts I guess...with no consideration for camber issues.) Would you do me a little favor since you have both at hand? Could you measure the distance between kingpins and see if the axles measure the same width? I've heard the F100 was wider, and I also heard the width was due to the brake drums/hubs...not the axle itself. I'd like to clear that up for future use.
Just received some additional information from a new guy who I hope will be intro'ing soon here on the HAMB. I won't put him on the spot by releasing his name but I hope he goes ahead and does an intro. He sent it to me in a PM btw. Thanks...well appreciated! (Quote)The F-1 had a left spindle with a cast on arm up to '53 I think. The right spindle has a bolt on arm. The right side spindle can be used on both the left and right sides of the axle by unbolting the arm and flopping it front to rear; this places the tie rod in front of the axle. The Doane Spencer duece was built this way.That way you have the later 11 inch brake. (unquote) Good info!
The one was a F100 with the bolt-on's on both sides. Bill, I didn't measure any of it, but I did notice the F100 axle was wider when I was putting them up in a corner of the shop (standing up,its taller, I need more corners in my shop!) I'll measure them when I get to the shop and post later. Also, how do you get rid of the FNG (****in' New Guy?) ***le?
So they ARE different width... Thanks, i'd appreciate a measure if you could! KingPin to Kingpin. We ALL need more corners BD, doubt you'll get pity around here for that...but you will get loads of understanding!!! LOL. Amazing how stuff gathers up isn't it? The FNG tag changes once you hit a certain number of posts. You have less than 1000 to go! No worries! (actually, it might be 50 posts but I'm not 100% sure.)
HackerBill, let me get this straight, "due to the KPI differences that allow F1 spindles to bolt up to early axles...whereas F100 don't.." This means that I can't take my F-100 spindles and just stick them onto an early axle, the camber will be off? Instead I gotta take the hubs and backing plates off of the F-100 spindles and put them on my '40 Ford pickup spindles (so I can have the self energizing brakes on an early axle)? On a side note, does anyone know if '66 Ford pickup backing plates and drums are available as reproductions? Or is this a junkyard only thing? Thanks, *****6
thats my understanding of it. F1 will swap from the kingpin out...F100 you can only use the brakes and hub (with the simple bearing/seal change). It's been covered here before, but usually hidden in a brake conversion post or something. DON'T think it has its own thread...so a search might be a chore. http://www.f100.com/ has some good pics and price info for the brake parts...except backingplates. Have no idea if the prices would be considered good or outrageous... Oddly, the drums from F1 to F100 are different numbers and prices but the brake shoes are the same. Must be some little difference somewhere along the line... I thought the backingplates were the same though. I have a set from an F1 and they look just like my F100's as far as a quick look would tell you. Maybe the hubs and drums are slightly different on the F100 to reset the tire centerline in relation to the new KPI!?!?
*****6 , I have some F1 and F100 backing plates, hubs and drums if you need some. We been doing Ford trucks for 30+ years, I got lots of it stored up.
As for the differences in drums Bill, the best I can tell the early ones were ribbed, and the later ones into othe 60's were smooth on the outside. I forgot to measure the kingpin C/L this morning (something to do with oldtimers diease), but I put a posty note on my screen to remember it tomorrow!
I have that that same problem! It's called CRS..."Can't Remember Stuff"! Hahaha. So thats the big difference! Ribbed drums. The deep woods F1 I pulled the BP's from had no drums on it. DID have shock Brks, steering box and column, plus a few other small things though. Thanks on the posty note!
Ok Bill,heres the C/L's on the axles. The F1 is 50 3/4", while the F100 is 53 3/4". Exactly 3" difference. I need a some wishbones, split or not for my flathead powered T bucket project, I'm gonna post in the wanted/for sale deal, is it pretty straight up deals there? I buy and sell alot on ebay with no problems, don't know about HAMB, although since jointing here I've gotten killer info! Thanks to all.
3 full inches in the difference...Thanks! BD, to my knowledge the cl***ified works sell. I HAVE seen some problems posted now and then but I think you'll get that anywhere. Use common sense and be ***ured that RYAN will do whatever he can to keep the deal smooth from both sides. RYAN has been very vocal about potential abuse by offering to PUBLICLY disclose ALL contact info for bad sellers or buyers and fully banning anyone who tries to pull a fast one. Haven't used it myself yet...but I would.
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