it's bad because it's a Microsoft product. I use Mozilla Composer, which unfortunately seems to be in limbo right now...but you can get Mozilla version 1.7.5 (the last version) at mozilla.org
There is alot of addtional html tags that are not needed. Along with a alot of propritary microsoft ****. Makes some bad html coding. A page that would be 8k in size end up being 80k with front page sometimes ... err most of the time. If you are not comfortable writing html by hand use dreamweaver for a visual aid. (it even has a function to clean up word html) Here is a great site with coding tips. Download free trial of dreamweaver here Hope that helps.
Dreamweaver is a lot better, but if FP is all you got....it's better than hand coding. PM me and I may be able to help. -JEB
frontpage isn't that bad. It has extra coding because it tries to maximize compatibility. It's easy to use, for the most part, I would recommend it to someone just starting out. Newer versions are better. Dreamweaver kicks ***, but has a steep learning curve.
that's what's bad about frontpage...it's designed to allow people who don't understand how html works to make web pages, which they probably should not be doing. typical MS philosophy. But if it works for you, go for it!
Nothing could be further from the truth! It codes webpages for internet explorer ONLY, & they usually look bad in other browsers (if they display at all). All the other comments about extrainious code are correct - & there are hundreds of other reasons to stay away from it. Not the least of one of them being adding links to micro****! If you want to build webpages learn how to do so by writing the code yourself. Then use 1st Page to build them. http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/index.html http://www.evrsoft.com/ ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Hey Fred; why are you dragging that chain across the floor? "Ever tried pushing a chain?"
Bull. It's been my experience that pages created in Frontpage work on almost all browsers. This is from my own personal experience working with frontpage. Perhaps I should add the disclaimer of POST-97. All these generalizations are based on FP97. By version 2000, things were much better. Yes, there's sometimes problems with Opera and some Mozilla based browsers, but they claim to be W3C compliant, but that's not the complete truth. Even the holy of holies Firefox has problems, and it's due to their implementation of WC3 standards. And what are you talking about adding links to microsoft? Have you even used frontpage? Hand-coding makes about as much sense as writing down all the dimensions for a car before even making a sketch. Its a hell of a lot easier to see what youre making as you make it.
NO BULL! You just contradicted yourself: "work in ALMOST all browsers"? Frontpage codes for I.E., & screw other browsers. I'm speaking from personal experience REPAIRING (actually re-writing; repairing was impossible) webpages done in FP. When I asked the owner why they added links to micro****, they said "what links?". Extrainious code? For example I've seen font tages repeated several times with no text at all in them. I test my sites in Netscape 3.0 up, I.E. 4.0 up, Opera, Mozilla, etc., & on different operating systems (windoze '95, '98, ME, 2000, Mac, Linix, Lindows/Linspire, etc.), & on different screen resolutions. Just don't use it if you want everyone to see your website, & especially if you want it displayed the same for everyone. Check my suggestion again - I said learn to code & then use 1st Page. 1st Page is a FREE html editor & better than any I tried costing well over $100. Want to see what you're making? There is a preview tab that displays it in your chosen browser. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" The severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the ability to reach it.
Notepad. Seriously. If you aren't up to the task of learning HTML/CSS/etc, then look into Dreamweaver as the others have suggested. That said, actually knowing HTML (or at least having a handy reference book) can still help a ton, regardless of what WYSIWYG program you use.
I didn't contradict myself. You said frontpage only wrote sites for IE, I said it writes for almost all browsers. I've fixed sites for people using frontpage too. I fixed pages that had at several wrong tags in it, and bad links. It was because the guy using it kept hitting a function, and when it didn't appear as he expected, he'd hit it again. User error, he didn't understand HTML. The program didn't add random links and tags. The only issue i've ever had with tags that didn't make sense (in the order they were laid out), was with FP97. Never with 2000. Anyhow, good arguing with you, but i'm going to stop before ryan gets pissed for trying to turn this place into slashdot
Though anytime you use Front Page Extensions it turns into an IE only site.... Most all people who use Front Page use the ****py Extensions...
It does ONLY write sites for I.E. - they just happen to show in other browsers as well (it is html, after all). Micro****/Gates dosen't give a **** about other browsers/anyone else in this world, & whether the sites built in FP displays in them or not. It's best to stay away from mickysoft all together. Sorry Ryan: I'm done too. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing.
Thanks guys. I picked up a copy of Front Page 2003. Had too for my new job. Started into it, did some of the tutorials. I don't think that I am the kind of guy who can get into writing code. Funny thing is my work uses FrontPage2000 I was like "you've got to be kidding me" it is real archaic in comparison to FrontPage2003 imagine me feeling that after only jumping on the FP2003 once. What is still boggling me is the whole publishing-server part. warning-real stupid questions ahead- Can I use artwork/text that I make up in illustrator and/or photoshop to spruce things up(I use them a lot), or is there a better program(s) to do this? Also I like to do the neat "art" on my mac. can I put this art onto my PC with the front page 2003 program? What program created the HAMB? If you want to know what I am up to and why I am using futile frontpage, send me a PM. You'll really trip. But I will have my own website eventually, and it will be on topic I promise. Thanks Ryan for allowing me to post this here, I really have no place else to turn go.
I'm tellin' ya'; go to webmonkey & read a few tutorials on the basics, then download & use 1st page, & you'll be building better websites than FP within a week. 1st Page has it setup where you just click (for instance) on "font" & it writes the complete font tag (if you want it to), & all you have to do is write the text for that color/size/type/etc. font. Want bold? highlight the text & click on "Bold". Want an image? Click on "Image" & you have the entire image tag (more on that in a minite). Ok - to answer your questions... To include your images save them in .jpg & .gif (for animations). These two will work in every browser. Put them in a folder called "images" or "graphics" (or "purty****" if you like ), & put that folder in the same folder you're saving your html pages in. In 1st Page, you can then "import" an image & it will write the code for the image, including the path to the folder & even the size of the image (very important to keep the page from jumping all around while loading like the HAMB does). If you have text in the image, you'll need to add that in the "alt" section of the tag so that the blind can use your website. To use the MAC artwork just do the same thing as above, using a floppy to transfer the images to the folder in the PC. If you look around you'll find the info on the HAMB program. Oh; I just checked the source code & it's "vBulletin 3.0.7". It's a series of scripts written in PHP & requires CGI on the server to run it. It's actually fairly poorly written (first time I've checked the source code) - no wonder it takes so long to load... I haven't tripped in decades. Send me a PM.... ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Mind like a steel trap - rusty and illegal in 37 states.
People still USE those things? Macs haven't shipped with a floppy drive since 1997 or 1998! I don't think I've even seen one of those in 6 months! As for getting files from Mac to PC, there are about a thousand ways to do it. (Floppies being one of them.) If your Mac has OS X, then the Mac should network with the PC fairly easily. Otherwise, you can do something as crazy as posting your graphics and stuff onto a photo-hosting site (or better yet, your company's ftp server if there is one), then pull 'em down onto the peecee. If your Mac is at home, and your Windows box is at work, this might be easier than burning CDs or whatever.
There is also an open source WYSIWYG editor called Nvu It's not as good as Dreamweaver, but better than FP. It works on a variety of platforms... Just FYI for those that are interested.
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