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Master cylinder ????

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by rockabillybassman, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Will a 1" bore dual m/c be enough for 39-48 Ford wheel cylinders, or should I go to 1 1/8" bore?
     
  2. 53sled
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    How long is a piece of string?
    you must factor in pedal ratio, bore, stroke to get a good feel.
     
  3. OK, I'll rephrase. Is a Ford 39-48 master cylinder 1" or 1 1/8"?
     
  4. landseaandair
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    I think 1 1/16". Might be safer to err on the safe side and go larger.
     
  5. tb33anda3rd
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    the "safe" side is not necessarily a larger bore.
    are you using the original pedal?
     
  6. HOTRODPRIMER
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    You are correct. HRP
     
  7. JohnEvans
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    As said several things enter into this besides bore ,mainly pedal ratio. A 1" bore dual will work just fine with the early Ford brakes. A 1-1/8 will cause a higher pedal effort due to the increase in surface area of the piston compaired to a stock 1-1/16 Ford MC ***uming the same pedal ratio. Will it be enough to be objectionable ?? Maybe. Brake MC sizing is not a place that bigger is better.
     
  8. True. Going a bit smaller (1/16") can give a 'power' feel, at the expense of slightly more travel. But then, too, real power brakes have more travel...and more sponge.

    Cosmo
     
  9. beater32
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    Brakes again ?!!
     
  10. Haven't you fixed up that 36 yet? :p
     
  11. 55willys
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    The bore of the master cyl is 1 1/6 or 1.0625 the area of which is .8862 and since you are using a dual master you are cutting the brake system in half therefore you need the area of the two pushers to be half the area each. Half of .8862 is .4431 and the area of a 3/4 or .75 bore is .44156 about as close as you are going to get. The formula is Pi(3.14) x R2(radius x radius) = area of a circle. Bigger is not better! The correct size and proper pedal ratio is all important. Pedal ratio should be 6:1 for manual brakes and 4-5:1 for power brakes.
     
  12. Not disagreeing, just sayin'...when Ford changed to a dual M/C in 1967, the bore remained the same and the W/Cs remained the same...but you had a dual M/C instead of the fruit jar.

    Cosmo
     

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