Pulley help Ford 302

Ok all, please learn me here. I am working on a 56 ford car which has a 347 (302 block) in it. The block IIRC is a 91 Tbird (if that matters). I currently only have alternator, pump, crank and idler pulley (from summit). I want to add P/S pump and a/c. I have the long water pump, reverse rotation. I know there is a long pump, short pump, reverse, standard, etc.. and pulley configurations seem to be quite a challenge.

Here is my current setup. Like many of yall I assume, I am piecing it together with different things. My p/s pump will likely be a ford granada pump since that is the p/s setup I am putting on my car. Any idea on how or what I can use here? I have no idea what to use for brackets, what will fit, and what belt will work with it etc. So if anyone here is using the long reverse rotation pump with p/s and a/c please help. Thanks!

 

The serpentine systems will drive you nuts,,I ended up tossing the original parts to find out how difficult and expensive it is to try and re-invent the wheel.

Good luck. HRP

 

Well, it might. I have it all working well now, but I now I want to add on and dont know where to start. but without a/c and p/s it works very well.

 

You might look at the local yard and find a 80's model 5.0 mustang,,they ran the serpentine system and would possibly have the parts you need.. HRP

 

these guys sell the pulleys,expensive but good stuff

http://www.snowwhiteltd.com/

 

dont forget early/mid 80's crown vics and tbirds for possible candidates for serpentine set ups. i am currently looking for something like that as well but so far havent been able to find one with all the brackets and pulleys still attached. arent fords fun?

 

ummmm....sure they are I will have to look it up, I think the mid to late 80s crown vics were serpentine but were standard rotation. Not dead set on reverse, just already have all that and wouldnt have to re purchase.

 

Alan Grove brackets $98 for the compressor bracket. Mounts on the head, left or right.

 

Fun trying to see the timing mark with a reverse flow.

 

Yeah, I can see it though, just got to get your head and flashlight right.

 

Fox mustang brackets,they are the cleanest,the crown vic,lincoln,pickup are all big & bulky looking.Pickup a 5.0 mustang magazine,they have all the nice aluminum mounts & brackets in there for sale by 10,000 different chinese companys.

 

sorry, missed the part of you having the reverse rotation waterpump. im looking for the standard rotation. any idea the difference in length between long and short pumps? not having much luck searching.

 

I need to look..If the fox stangs bolt to head and pump they may work. I was thinking many of them tied into the block and that could get confusing.

I have seen some selling short pumps saying 2" less than long. But dont quote me on that.

 

Amen!

 

Don't know if you like the placement of the Alan Grove bracket but it's designed for just about all pumps and pulleys. They have slots for adjustment front and back.

Edit: sounds wrong-all water pumps and pulley spacing is what I should have said.

 

I dont disagree, but dam havent they been out long enough to have it figured out? I knew these pulleys were a biatch, but with as many people that are and have built them, it seems it should be more clear now days. Is there so many variables that there is no solid answer based on year and what pump is used?

 

When I pulled the 5.0 out of the Mustang I didn't want to use all the serpentine stuff on the front of the engine,,about 5 years later I realized it would have been better to use it,,unfortunately I threw it in the trunk of the Mustang and sold it for scrap,,live and learn. HRP

 

From what I remember, the 80-86 Fox-body Mustang water pump would work in either rotation. It had an impeller design that worked that way because Ford was switching to serpentine. The 5.0 brackets, I believe, attach with the three bosses on the head, and the two edge pump bolts(with the factory stuff). I use to have 5.0 motors and fuel injection in stuff I built. Now I have one old F-1 with efi, but mostly play with flatheads...kinda back-asswards...

 

What drives people nuts is that Fords used a short pump in SBF's 1969 and earlier and also in some later Econolines the long pumps were 1970 and later after 1986 came the reverse flow pumps in almost every 5.0 early 80's full size cars were serpentine conventional rotation.What got crazy is there are different harmonic balancer heights after 1970 which changes the offsets of the pulleys so pulleys must match the balancers.I sent ctfortner a pm to guide you through the mess.For you other confused Ford SBF guys you may want to read this: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303600&highlight=ford+short+water+pump Scroll down to #5

 

It takes time to learn "what fits" the bowtie guys got about a 10 year headstart on SBF's but there is a lot of interchangeable parts in the 221,260,289,302 and 5.0 family,not a bad idea to grab some of these:http://www.mre-books.com/engine/smallblock.html

 

I concur, known Jeff for years on the hamb here, great guy, and sharp. Always helpful

 

Aw Shucks guys,you all are too kind! Thanks,always glad to help!

 

The other pulley set up that may be helpful may be a 5.0 explorer or navigator?

 

This chart will help. I'd guess you'd go for the one on the middle left.

 

This here's a alternator/power steering pump bracket set up for an early 80's vintage Lincoln 5.0: standard rotation serpentine w/pump, 3G alt n' CII P/S pump.

It ain't pretty but it's compact. It uses a uses a 4 bolt ballancer pulley n' it also moves the alt n' P/S to the driver's side...

 

Are power steering pumps directional? if you pulled a serpentine off and used a groove it will change direction of pump. Does that matter? A friend is going through this now.

 

Yup. They can only run in the direction of thier original rotation to make pressure on the pressure side. Never tried ta' run one backwards, though.

 

Just not pretty in its raw state: Clean & polish all the high spots on that bracket, paint the low spots black and tell 'em it's a MOON piece. (or like Sacramento SoCal does, say it's EELCO!)

Much of this factory bracketry stuff is like homely chicks. Enhance the weak points with makeup and tats. Next stop: Show it off at Billetproof!

 

I hear ya', Mike.

I prolly would'a done somethin' like that if'n I hadn't ditched the CII pump n' all the related bracketry when I converted ta' manual steering...

 

Serpentine is great, once it's sorted.

I have an O/T, brand name March pulley and bracket setup in mine, I chose that as I physically did not have the time to do what you are doing now.

It works good, besides an initial issue sourcing the recommended belt size (hadn't ordered one, napa and car quest didn't stock it).

Your crank pulley looks like an under drive unit (smaller diameter) so make sure you have pulleys that will spin your power steering pump (most important) and AC fast enough to work.

Good luck