would you replace 302 with 352?

If it aint broke don't fix it.

I really like FE's over small blocks. Ford has so many little nit-picky things that do not always match up from one application to another, it usually turns into a wild goose chase. I have had C4's, FMX's and C6's nothing beats a C6, they are bullet proof IMO.

 

I'm not in the camp that supports the swap. Now the Bronco swap, I might be able to get my head around that one as long as the rear wheel openings aren't rotted and the front body mounts are solid. However, a 5.0 in a full size Bronco is a pig and will be lucky to see 15MPG HWY if you keep your foot out of it. The 5.8 is the way, which then brings up the solution to your quandary. You'd need to find 2 5.8 Fords, one to replace the 5.0 in the Bronco and one to replace the 302 in the truck. Problem solved. The Bronco is kool even with the 5.0 but they need headers and other bolt-ons to make them pleasant to drive. I had a 91 "Nite" version with a 5.8 that got 14MPG towing 2000lbs of sleds and gear at 75MPH. One of our pals had a 5.0 in his and couldn't get past 10 pulling less wt than I. I also had 3.55s and 31" tall tires.

At the end of the day the 352 would only look kool as you did your thing but would be of no real benefit compared to what you're already staged up to do.

 

You do realize that a 352 or any fe motor is a totally different motor and not a drop in replacement for a 302. Motor mounts will be different ,driveshaft will be different, the exhaust wont hook up and I am not really sure that with The crown vic front end if a 352 would fit in the engine cradle.
Not sure that even if you got it in that the front springs would support the extra weight of an fe 352 motor, about 250 lbs more than a 302.
Find another 302 if you are doing this as a temporary measure
joe mac

 

I installed a 352 into my 64 5 years ago while I was building my 428. 5 years later it is still in there. It gets 17 mpg on the road. It pulls my pop up tent trailer with no issues. I would prefer a 390 but it hauls my 4000 pound car with no issue. That being said, I would not trade my 352 for a 302. 302s can be built to make good horse power if you want. I would only use a 302 if I had a AOD or t5. Would not use it with a C6. I guess it makes a difference what you use it for. If you just drive it then 302 is probably ok. If you use it, then the 352 would be better. I would hold out for a 390 or find a 390 crank to install in the 352. IMHO

Also. I install FEs in everything and they are not cheap to build.

 

Josh, here is some info on '67 Ford pickups

http://www.fordification.com/tech/VIN67.htm

From this, and a couple of other sources I found, the 240 and 300 inch Six and the 352 V-8 were the engine choices in '67.

The tag tells the story if you can have another look at the one on the truck the engine came out of.

Since I've seen your truck, and have a little bit of up close and personal first-hand knowledge of it, my suggestion is keep the 302, fix the issues with it in a weekend or two, and don't miss out on a summer of cruising and car shows which you might if you try to change too much this far into the warm weather season. Just my two cents, my friend Oh, get the 352 for your next project, maybe a '60 Fairlane or somethin'!

 

Yes in a 67 pick up you are pretty much unlimited to which engine family you want to use. 6cylinder 240 300 or small block 289 302 351 or big block 352 390 427 428 .

Problem being he has a late model crown Victoria front end grafted to his frame, which was never designed to fit or hold a big block

Not saying it cant be done but my understanding is he will want to put the small block back in after some work on it.

It will be a lot of work for a temporary measure

 

yea, right. I own 2 FE's... has nothing to do with liking or not liking 352's, the motor in question is in all likelyhood, little more than a core. You dont pull a good running motor to replace it with a used un-rebuilt motor with an unknown history that you pay $200 for. If he was going to rebuild the 352, then permanently replace the 302 with it, I'd be all over that. But I wouldn't pull a running motor out of a driver just to replace it with an auto-wrecker special just because it had more BS HAMB cred. Well, I would have when I was 16 and stupid, and I have done just that in the past. But I've learned a few things over the last 35 yrs.

 

He doesn't have a crown vic subframe. The 302 is out of a crown vic. The front suspension is twin i-beams with disc brakes off a '75 F-100.

 

Thanks for the input, Like arkie said, the motor came from a crown vic.. I do not have a crown vic front clip.. not a terribly big fan of em.. they are cool in their own way though. know several guys that use them.. including the owner of the 352 and 67 f100. the motor was fine. he purely wanted to put in a 428 and it looks incredible, he is rebuilding the truck from tip to tail pipe. The guy is a friend.. just offering another friend an opportunity to have something potentially cool. I tend to like Arkies idea on keeping it for another project as I do want to move on to other projects at some point. Even though im 30 I have a soft spot for the FE motors..and most guys my age are all about the new motors.. mainly just the history. I have only driven one vehicle with one and I did like it.. it wasn't revolutionary or anything. As far as the Bronco goes.. I am considering it. I have been wanting one since I was a kid... this one is a cherry eddie bauer black and tan. interior is clean no rips.. I absolutely dislike the mod motors in the f150s..at the same time I love the styling of all the f150s . I've now owned 4 since 06.

AS for the ease of putting it in.. I have the frame horns for the fe.. they just bolt on.. my truck had a 390 in it when it was bought..he has the driveshaft exhaust bits and all that is needed.. it wouldn't be terribly hard.. it even has the power steering hook ups like mine.. hardest part would be lugging the heavy beast in and hooking up the ignition.. im all one wire.

Thanks for the input guys and I will pas along some info as I get it.

Thanks duncan!

 

For $200 buy the FE for a future project and shiy can the fmx... Ive pulled way too many running cars apart just to fix little things and they take FOREVER to get back together... Everytime... FEs are great engines and can be made into powrrhouses!!

 

I have been thinking about a family friendly classic vehicle... Something my wife won't call a p.o.s. lol and something my boy can ride in with the car seats.
She likes curvy cars.. However she spotted a 60s bagged mercury a few weeks ago she liked. She called it gas monkey style... Ooh my wife.

 

The guys motor in cv front clip. Duncan this one of the Padgett boys.

 

Absolutely not!!

 

I never would of guessed this would be such a love hate topic! more hate at the moment.. I would of figured the FE to be more " traditional " and desired than it appears to be.

 

I think it's a combination of things, the "temp" thing in particular. It'd make a lot more sence to temporarily drop in another 302. The 352 has all the weight of a 390/428 w/o the cubes, as i mentioned before. IF I was going to make changes for a temp set up, changing to a 351 C or W that bolts right up to your tranny would be way better than a 352, and be a bunch lighter for a loss of 1 cube.

 

no. just no. long list of reasons why, but all end with no.

 

IIRC He said he's already run the old engine and it's a good runner, and he can swap over all the piece parts to make the engine fit. I think 1) known good, and 2) complete with all the factory pieces makes a big difference

 

It sounds like you really want to do the swap, so do it already. I would prefer the more modern 302 to a boat anchor 352 myself, but that is my opinion. I would, on the other hand probably buy the 200 dollar 352, to replace the 100 dollar 289 in my 59 Ranchero, but that is more of a quest for quasi-originality, than any performance benefits.

 

Based on my experience with a 352, I agree with everyone who used "352" and "boat anchor" in the same or consecutive sentences.

 

If the 352 came out of a car I would say go for it but since it came from a truck I dont know if it will be worth the effort,Ford lowered the compression in the truck 352s so they are not has peppy as the car version. The truck motors run good for what they were designed to do which is haul heavy loads but the car motors will run circles around the truck motors,I had a 65 4 bbl 352 in my 65 galaxie that revved quicker then the 390 I had in a 65 country squire which I replaced with a 302 and now wishing I kept the 352.

 

In a heartbeat.....

 

FE = f#@$%&g expensive. Great motors. Love them, but I would not pull a running 302 for any FE in something I drive even semi-regularly.

 

To replace a good running 302 with a 352 is %##@*&%^**. Back in the day, late 60's i had a 63 fairlane with a Hipo 289, 4-speed, 9" rear end, all factory. I spent $900.00 on re-build with a bunch of upgrades,cam,headers,intake,carb,etc.etc. 4:10 Det. locker. Friend of mine had a 63 1/2 Ford fastback with a 390. He spent God only knows how much on it trying to out run me. I could blister him in low gear, after that i was so far ahead of him it it was no race. Look at todays drag race tickets, do you know any one that builds a 352-390 for racing???? A good 302-306 roller motor puts out some awsome numbers when built. 352-390 is now not even a good boat anker. Dont waste your time and money.

Butch Evans(Falconeer)
Thomasville NC

 

Another vote for the windsor motor . . . I would look for a 351 and be done with it if you feel you need the extra cubes.

Every single part on the windsor motors is going to be cheaper than on any FE motor. You could even get a post 94 351w with the factory hydraulic roller cam, spend $100 on a letter cam, and have a nice rumble with plenty of torque and get a lot better mileage than the FE

 

Not unless the 302 is shot and the 352 runs well and is cheap. Compared to a SBC even 302 stuff is harder to find and costs more but I like mine and it's a little different.

 

This makes no sense, especially if it is to be a temporary thing. The motor mounts are different, the accessories and mounts are different. The tranny is different (and mounts).
You will be spending money and time for parts (like motor mounts and stands, trannymount, driveshaft mods, radiator hoses, exhaust etc.) and that is all stuff that will have to be redone when you put the 302 back in.
If your 302 needs some work, pull it out and get after it. Don't waste time and money on that pig of a 352FE, time and money that would be better spent on correcting your problems, just ficx the issues with the 302. If you don't have the time and money to do it right, throwing money at the 352 won't help your situation!

 

Then theres Nick Smith's 60 starliner running low 13s in a heavy car.

 

I am currently accepting donations of all 352 "boat anchors". A hopped up 352 is a thing of beauty and music to the ears and if you ain't into them, I'll take em.

 

Amen^^^^^^^^^^^^^. I prob wouldn't put 1 in temp. But I had 1 in a 65 f-100 and loved it. My brother blew it up for me Racing a damned Nissan. Had him beat and missed a gear. o brother!

 

Its probably been mentioned but a 351-W would be the best way to go and the easiest.