WOW 430 MEL! just getting ready to fit one in a 39 coupe! 6 97's joe hunt mag, toploader 4 speed should be fun!
You won the lottery scoring all that Boss 302 stuff...Motor,trans,etc. I would build the boss with tons of cam,compression,and carburetion and have more fun than any other kid on your block....You scored:The '69 motor has the larger 2.25" intake valve versus the '70's 2.19".Stick some 5.14 gears in the rear and wind it up!!!
Pulled motor out of my Dads garage after sitting in corner 30 years! Ran block #s its 1970 Boss 302. Going to start pulling apart & get it to machine shop. Crazy the stuff we found hidden my dad forgot he had, 3 Hurst Comp plus shifters,carbs etc
That thing is really complete!When you tear it down expect to find a bunch of cracked piston skirts.Its not a huge deal,and it's pretty common,and the reason most of the motors got pulled in the first place:Ford ended up getting a bad batch of pistons from TRW,and they were going to fail at some point anyway.The unfortunate part is,most people hacked the factory rev limiter out of the harness,allowing the Boss to rev to 7000+ like it was meant to.But when the defective pistons failed and owners went to Ford for warranty work,they were denied because they had tampered with the rev limiter. Just a little Boss motor trivia for you. By the way,there are plenty of intakes and cams available for that motor,and all the heads need is a little bowl blending.Those heads are as good as BBC rectangle port heads,and they will allow that 302 to make a ton of power.All you really need to change to make that a 400-450 hp motor is the cam and valve springs,and maybe the intake,if you're looking to squeeze the last bit of power out of it. PS:I'm so jealous right now it's killing me!Lol!Seriously though,I'm happy for you man.You really scored!And as for traditional or not?Doane Spencer built his T Bird with a Cleveland headed small block Ford,and that guy built some of the best traditional cars ever. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Thanks Powrshftr. I would love to find a weber manifold for it but was told they are rare. If I can't find one I'm thinking a Dyers blower in natural finish?
The manifold and carbs for the weber setup would cost more than the blower anyway...BDS will probably have a manifold for it.Paradise wheels makes really accurate reproductions of Ford and Shelby Paxton blower sit-ups too,if you wanted something that fit under the hood,and had a sort of " it could have been built like this back in the day" vibe... I know that Super Ford magazine built one back in the '80's,and with no mods but a Crane solid cam,it made over 400hp with the stock intake and carb,and 451hp@7000 rpm with a Weiand tunnel ram and two 450cfm Holleys.Its probably the closest thing a regular guy will ever see to a full on race motor.Its basically the same cylinder head architecture that Ford ran in NASCAR up til a few years ago.It was compe***ive in NASCAR for 3 decades. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
If your a ford man then good but please don,t be. I must put a ford in a ford nothing is more lame then that you put a ford in a ford or a chevy in a chevy because that,s what everyone say,s you must do a real hot rodder uses the car that he likesand the drive train he likes
Teddy, I think he's just hooked on the Boss cause it's so unique,so bad***,and because it's like Christmas morning when you discover a free Boss motor,close ratio Toploader,and Hurst shifter for free! Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Exactly. I've grown up a Ford guy even ended up working at a Ford dealership since 17 years old. Plus being handed down a motor that my dad has owned for 30 years means alot to me.
We actually know Craig from Paradise wheel, was going to call him next week see if he knows anyone with weber manifold. The Shelby in last pic actually has an orginal Paxton/shelby blower on it. I just don't think the paxton will fit with hood sides on, front of my frame is pinched pretty good.
From what I understand they tend to flow fuel like a firehose,and it's tough to tune them for both part throttle cruise,and WFO.Everyone I have talked to says they are pretty rigid about the tuneup,and will only run well for one or the other,as they were never really designed to have an "idle circuit"... They are awesome though.Ive wanted a car with 8 stacks sticking through the hood since I was about five years old... Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Wow.I am in awe of all the Blue Oval goodness contained within that Quonset building.Youve got it made,man.And your Dad clearly kicks ***.lol Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
LOL! The Shelby isn't mine thats my dads we are getting ready to freshen motor. Oh there is more too! My first car a 66 notchback mustang setup for slalom racing & 1968 Bronco my dad has had for 30 years, just sold my 31 sedan with 400hp 351w. I came from a Ford family!
Perfect motor for a late 60s/early 70s drag vibe. That aside, the technology exists to almost completely hide electronic injection conversions to 8-stack Hilborns and such. Personally, if I really wanted 8 individual induction inlets I'd shamelessly convert it to electronic. The only caveat would be the rest of the car being able to handle the power!! It would **** big time not being able to "let it all hang out". (Damn, wasn't that a 60s/70s cliche'...)
that is a great score and for free i,m just so tried hearing if it,s a ford you must put a ford in it or chevy,or mopar i have a sbc,s in my chevy becuase i like sbc,sand i have a y-block in my ford for the same reson
Personally I would rather see Any Ford motor go into a Ford even a newer fuel injected motor over a period correct Chevy and Im not even a Ford guy. Every time I see a non-GM vehicle with a GM motor in it I want to take a Big rock to the Hood!....Sorry for the Venting, Its just up there on the list of Stuff I hate.
What if it was a 31 Model A cpe on Deuce rails with a Nailhead and 4 or 6 carbs? How about a dual quad early Caddy with Hildebrandt valve covers? And lastly, what if it was a 392 Hemi with a small blower or 6 Strombergs? Just askin...
In my opinion, Boss is to $$$$$ and would not have the cool factor in this car, sure would in the correct Mustang. I think period correct Y block Ford or better yet a multi carb Nailhead. I myself don't have a problem with a 327 with the correct external speed parts. If you can make it look period correct why not, it is great power plant. Just my thoughts.
guess thats why you mopar or no car you would like to see a 340 or a 360 in it ?. but when i was young we used what we had now we use what we like most of my buddies are mopar guys and they have a 57 ford with a 383 mopar, a 49 chevy with a 302 ford,and a 56 merc with a sbc and the boreing mopar in a mopar, and the 52 dodge with a 360 mopar with a 4 speed cool. myself i,m a sbc man because i like them but i also like y-block fords,and 440,s but i would never throw a rock at anyone chioce
I would use the "Boss 302", I had one in a Jeep, and an altered in the 70's. As others have said, tear it down and you will find broken piston skirts. If you are going to turn it over 6500, you need to be mindful of valve train problems. The stock 2.19" intake valves are heavy and with high rpm will float, causing the keepers to walk, and will drop a valve, causing major damage. I ran a Crane 560/585 lift cam, with triple springs and ***anium retainers, I should have sprung for Ford's ***anium intake and sodium filled exhaust valves. We bored and bushed the small ends of the rods and "floated the pins". I ran a Shelby intake and duel 600 Holleys in the Jeep, and switched to a Weiand tunnel ram with 660's on crossways in the altered. If you stay with the 4 speed, as I did in both cars, you will love it. BTW I sold the engine in 1976 for $1200.00, here are some pics.
I bet you had so much fun it was almost illegal Marty!lol! Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Personally, I don't think any belong there. Needs a flathead V8 or a Y-Block or a SBF or Flat head 6 Ford..... I would respect it more if I saw it with a Ford engine, Sorry I don't like Mutts. Nothing wrong with any of those motors, just think it can be done better.
How, out of everything I said would you get that I would want to stick a 340 or 360 in there?... and Boring* Mopar in a Mopar? I guess seeing something rarely done is Boring to you. You must prefer to stick a SBC in every vehicle you can get your hands on...There is a reason its called the Belly ****on Motor. Never heard any Mopar motor called that...
You did mean '69 Boss 302 correct? If I had a gennie boss I would run it in a heart beat (no pun intended), but plan on low gears and high rev cruising they were not a low RPM engine.
My Dad had the unfortunate combination of a 4V 351C and 2.79 gears in an early '70s Mustang. He said it was an utter dog, and because of that I'm inherently su****ious of big-valve heads on the street.
Anything is gonna be a dog with 2.79 gears....that same car with 4.11,4.30, or 4.88 gears would have been a hoot though.The whole combination has to work together.You wouldn't put a 2 bbl carb on a motor with a .600" lift cam and then complain that it won't rev,right? My buddy had an o/t '70 muscle car with a 4V Cleveland/Toploader combo,and it had 3.00:1 open diff when he got it.Motor ran well,but performed like utter poop.Change to some 4.00:1 gears bought used from a stock car shop on eBay,and the car instantly felt like it had picked up 100 cubic inches.It absolutely jumped ahead half a car length when you stabbed the gas in 2nd gear from a roll... Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
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