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  1. 1955f100
    Joined: May 28, 2013
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    from norway

    the vin are starts whit 18-10-----
    engin nr bb-18-33-----

    this is from the ***el
    the engin is long gone
    but are loking for a flathead for it

    can any body help me or tel me if this is right ?

    the car is a import and come here in 1952

    did find this on the net and thats why i think somthing is wrong

    APPROXIMATE YEAR END SERIAL NUMBERS BY YEAR​

    FORD, 221 CID V-8.........................START...............................................FINISH​


    ............1932................18-1..........................................18-203,126​

    ............1933................18-203,127.................................18-457,477​

    ............1934................18-457,478...............................18-1,234,356​

    ............1935................18-1,234,357.............................18-2,207,110​

    ............1936................18-2,207,111............................18-3,331,856​

    ............1937................18-3,331,857............................18-4,186,447​

    ............1938................18-4,186,448............................18-4,661,000​

    ............1939................18-4,661,001............................18-5,210,700​

    ............1940................18-5,210,701............................18-5,896,294​

    ............1941................18-5,896,295............................18-6,769,035​

    ............1942................18-6,769,036...........................18-6,925,898​



    regards
     
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  2. treb11
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    As I understand it, the frame was stamped to match the engine number when the fehicle was originally built. your truck could have originally been built with a 4-cylinder, which would have a different s/n series versus what you list, which is for the v-8. If there are two numbers on the ***le, the engine was probably replaced at some point before it was registered on that particular ***le. HTH
     
  3. alchemy
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    Your VIN shows a 1934 truck (according to your chart there). I don't know how the engine number could be different, unless somebody replaced the engine and the ***le was modified after that point.

    If your VIN on the frame doesn't match the number on your ***le, I don't know what you are going to do? Ask your local Department of Motor Vehicles and explain the situation to them. Or do you think they'll confi****e the thing?
     
  4. 1955f100
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    the number match but is it the same frame from 1934 to 1939 ?
    and the change of frame or engin must have happend before the car got here in 1952, the car ***el is listing the car as a ford v8 and a truck
    not a lot of info :)

    just wonder if someone have sean this befor, was thinking that it was a old motor in it from the factory but it `s no way of finding out what has happend whit it befor it come here in 52

    some one ho can tell me if there are som way to lock at the frame to se what year it is ?
     
  5. afaulk
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    Can you give the entire VIN ?
     
  6. 1955f100
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    will that help ?
     
  7. 1955f100
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    dont think i will write the entire vin as it is to manny crocks out there .
     
  8. George/Maine
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    The frames are some what a like from 35 to40 and 41 for truck.
    If it looks like a 39 Ford truck, on the left side of the front engine mount,
    there are 3 rivets very close on frame,that's the number to look for "star number star".
     
  9. 1955f100
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    maby this is the reason that the number dont corespond :)

    The available records do not show the beginning number for 1939 models with the 60hp V8 engine. According to the Early Ford V8 Club 1938-39 Ford reference book,
    Ford held up production of the 60hp engine for awhile due to overstock.

    any one agree whit that it can be the reason that it dont fitt the list ?

    think i aksept this as the reason

    any one agree whit that ?
     
  10. Vehicles with the 85 HP engine had an 18- prefix on the serial number, 60 HP serial numbers have a 54- prefix. Larger trucks and pickups that came with a granny gear 4 speed would have a BB18- prefix. The majority of 1/2 pickups had the same 3 speed trans as cars and were built on a p***enger car frame (thus Ford called them "commercial cars" and reserved the designation "truck" for 3/4 ton and up). Other than what the BB, 18- and 54- prefixes tell you, there is no info encoded in the serial number, just a sequential production number for the engine/trans unit, and when that engine/trans unit was bolted into a ch***is, the number on the bell of the trans was copied onto the frame.
     
  11. alchemy
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    Does the frame have the original suspension still on it? If the front spring is above the axle it is a '34 or previous. If it has the front spring in front of the axle it is '35 or later.

    The 18-10****X number is 1934, but the BB18-33****X is still a 1936 or 1937 number. So your 1939 ***le is wrong on both accounts.
     
  12. Hotrodmyk
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    Can you post a picture of the truck?
     
  13. jkeesey
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    the vin numbers weren't stamped on the engine but on the transmission top. I can't be 100% positive but I was told the trucks were not built with the v8 60 engines since they were for economy uses.
     
  14. 1955f100
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    did change my avatar
    cant upload pic to this site
     
  15. Hotrodmyk
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    Definitely NOT a '34 (see my avatar) May be '39 afterall.
     
  16. Feo
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    the vin number on my frame. is also stamped on my transmission, i will pm you later with more info on my vin number reads.
     
  17. 4speed411
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    Vin was on my left frame rail near the steering box ( they are stamped in three places I read )and also on the top of the trans 1941 85hp flat head,,,,In Michigan you can apply for a new ***le with the frame vin number....so long as it is not a reported stolen car .

    * 18 - 668 - **** * starts with a * and ends with one
     
  18. Larry W
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    He's correct,frame # and trans#. No ID number on engine. The Trasmission number is at the top, above inspection plate.
     
  19. mike in tucson
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    He is in Norway....sequence may be different if it were ***embled in a european plant
     
  20. Fortyfordguy
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    Depends somewhat on where the vehicle was imported from. The serialnumber charts you referenced are for cars and trucks built in the USA. Canada Ford exported. There was a Ford plant in the UK building their own unique Ford vehicles. There was a Ford plant in Germany but they may have stopped building cars in 1938. There was also a Ford - French partnership of sorts building vehicles in France up til the war.

    If the 1939 pickup truck you have has the appearance and dimensions of our USA Ford, chances are it was built here or in Canada. The Canadian Fords had an entirely different serializing system than USA production.
     

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