Can someone explain the differnce in styles lead sled, hot rod ect..

Three times, actually.

Rich

 

Its a cool cruiser. Paint, fat whites, clean up the interior and restore it with a little of your own custom flare.

A cool old car is a cool old car. 4 doors 2 doors don't matter. Its your car. Remember at this website opinions are like assholes (And theres many assholes) everyones got one. Keep hugging along on your build and keep us posted.

I cant stand model A's or T's but I still read the threads cause its interesting. I'm sure theres plenty of people here who like your More Door Caddy. I being one of them. Don't let ignorant people and comments sway your vision for your ride. Words of advise from a fellow noob to this website. Keep your questions to the point and don't mention any modern upgrades like big wheels, body kits etc. It upsets the natives.

If it gonna build a ratrod, lowrider, a custom it don't matter. U got my support. Don't be a sheep and follow the herd.

 

Ya I stop trying to explain my vision and keep terms in check. I have done plenty of designs for trucks in the mini truck craze. Now I am building a caddy which I always wanted. I'll just keep posting it as I go. Thanks


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Look, I don't know why he's even asking for an opinion as he's already had 22" wheels made for the car, that in itself puts the car squarely out of the area that the HAMB appeals to. I look at all kinds of builds in all kinds of areas, but we have to have some discrimination, when I turn away a '67 Mustang from our car annual car show it's nothing personal.

FWIW, I gave a 4 door Plymouth that had minimal body mods the Best Custom trophy in 2011, it was simple, elegant and exactly the sort of car a regular guy woulda driven in 1964.

 

Sometimes less is more!! And the devil is in the details!!! Stick to what you like... French the headlights, side pipes are cool, give it a good stance.. Above all else drive it!!! Enjoy it!! So many people sell off there projects because they loose interest when they can't drive it around anymore!!

 

I have seen that before. But the build is the fun part for me. I'll keep my build thread running. I got a few ideas some old some new most old.


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I can dig that. I've never been a fan of the big, modern wheels myself, but shit, maybe if no one runs him off he will eventually see the light. I wonder just how many current long time posters here were drawn into the scene by the "rat rod" craze but then stuck around and learned what it was they were really in to. Rat rods draw the most attention at shows, that's a fact. They're loud and obnoxious and get people to pay attention. For a lot of guys it's an introduction to REAL car customizing. They grow out of the ratty phase and into better taste. It always makes me grin to see people's HAMB names that contain the word rat but are espousing a traditionalist viewpoint. They've grown up.
I've never understood the whole "turning cars away" philosophy though, that's where a lot of other car cultures seem to have traditionalists beat. I understand that the reasoning is to have a field full of period semi-correct cars with no distractions, but it seems to stifle shows. I guess my view comes from the lowrider scene though, where it's common to see a 38 Chevy across from an 90's Lincoln or Caddy, and no one getting butt-hurt by it at a show.

 

Yeah the ratrod this is a no no here and you should seriously change that. The wheels are also a no go. Not a bad thing just not for this forum. Change those two things and your car will fit in nicely around here. I still think NADS could have handled it better. You want to show people the way not bash them into the corner. If you want to convert someone you have to show them why & how to do it to fit in. They will come around they always do...that or they will just leave the forum. But that would be their choice. Just sayin...

 

We have a pre 64 cut off.

Rat rods are obnoxious and the only reason they're built is to attract attention, most people have no idea what they're looking at and attention whores attract the ignorant, it bothers me, it's a trend that I hoped would have died years ago but it seems to betting stronger and Florida is a major breeding ground, I feel sorry for my state.

 

Man, I'm not sure what the fuss is about. Caddyman76, as far I'm concerned you have withstood a test of fire and you're still here. The HAMB can be a tough place and a lot of people wuss out and run away, but it's this way for a reason. There are ideas and traditions that need to be maintained.

As mentioned, in case you haven't figured it out yet, the term Rat Rod is not used here. There are a lot of ideas among the general public about what that term means but on the HAMB it means something specific and it ain't good.

I'm glad to see that you are humble enough to ask about the definitions of Lead Sled, Custom, Hot Rod, etc. It tells me you want to learn. That humility counts for something in my book. You seem to be humble but you don't run off like a scared little girl. I like that.

The 22" wheel thing is definitely not HAMB friendly but if you stick around a while, you may change your mind about those wheels and go a different direction when you realize how bitchin tradional Rods and Customs can be.

Everybody has an opinion of course and here's mine regarding your car (not that you should give a shit): It ain't never going to be a Hot Rod. Previous posters explained the reasons for that. It could possible be made into a mild custom. Generally, you would want to start with a 2-door but, as posted, there are some exceptions to the rule. But, take that with a grain of salt. I'm more of a Hot Rod guy than a Custom guy.

I personally like old Caddys though (even 4-doors). In my mind they are in a little class of their own. All this being said, it doesn't matter what you want to call it, it can be a bitchin cruiser. Build it how you want and enjoy it. If it ends up not HAMB friendly, you can find a forum that is more suitable. I hope you stay around here and get the feeling of what this forum is about before making any rash decisions though.

I like to see folks who are willing to learn about tradional Hot Rods and Customs. I know my ideas about it have completely changed over the years.

As far as Nads, I agree with him for the most part. He's just passionate and pissed and I understand why. I'm posting because I think you can be converted and I don't want to see you run off when there's hope for you.

 

SAme here in NJ, Nads, and I've got your back!
Caddyman, if you really want to stay here, you have to understand, this is a traditional car forum. WHile there are some modern additions that are "overlooked", like AC, for us geezers, air bags, M2 suspensions, disc brakes and such, for the most part, this is about what the style was "in the day".
Ugly modern innovations like huge wheels, are never going to cut it here. If you HAVE to have them, don't expect us to rave over your car. You WILL get a lot of shit over it. Stick to things that WERE done in the past, or "could have" been done int he past, perhaps in new and exciting ways,and you'll be welcome here.

 

"I have always like classic low riders and rat rods. I don't see my self in a full out rat rod but some thing in between a low rider and a little rat rod with some hot rod thrown in the mix."

The above is quoted directly from our guy's profile, what does that even mean? It's like a Top 40 station that plays Bee Bop Jazz, Death Metal, Country and Doo-Wop Rap.

Sorry if I'm a bit myopic, but we have a good thing here, that's why there are less confused cars here than anywhere else, and it would be nice if it stayed that way.

 

Yep. You guys are tough that's why I started this thread. I was trying to get the feel of the people here. I wasn't getting any response in my other post so I needed a post with a good topic. I see how every one is and can respect their views. I have respect for the tradition and love all cars not donks. So I will probably piss off some with my build but like some one said earlier just cover the wheels with your thumb and the caddy should look fine. Oh I'm keeping the 22" for a while. So keep those thumb ready.


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22" wheels don't work on a lowrider. 15" is pushing it.
I think the guy is just lost in trying to label the kind of car he wants to build.

 

That means a low car with crapy paint and a nice engine for now.


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I couldn't use15". my brake conversion kit required 17" or bigger to fit. Sorry maybe that's why they gave me a major discount on the kit. Because everyone here would not buy brakes that big.


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I know the stock brakes are pretty big, and there are clearance issues with anything less than a 15, so that's why most real lowrider caddy's roll on 15's. I just sold a set of 15" supremes to a guy to put on his Cadillac as 15" was the absolute smallest wheel that would fit his drums. He was running big wheels too, but they were hot rod styled at least.
There's a pretty big difference aesthetically between some 17-20 inch torque thrusts and what you're running in my opinion, but to each his own.

 

That's how to handle it.
Instead of berating the guy, say "This is what we do here" and offer some alternatives. Even some examples of how a HAMB Caddy custom would look. That's a hell of a lot more constructive. You never know, being new to this arena, he may not be familiar with all the options out there.

I just don't see the reason for negativity.

 

"Aint never gonna be a hot rod"...yes, that's correct. UNLESS...you turn it into a GASSER! lol, all joking aside, the 22's ar DONK...ain't no one on the HAMB going to accept DONK, ever. If you like the HAMB and want something traditional, I'd reconsider the wheels. Think of the cash you could put into the car going in the right direction. I work at a tire shop...I know those things go for a minimum of $350 to $400 each, regardless of brand, not to mention another $1,000 or more for tires. That would be $2,200, and possibly even $3K or more toward the car itself. And the bent wheels and new tires every 20,000 miles aren't worth it either. If you waste that money on the tires/wheels, IMO you possibly deserve some of the guff you're getting just for that one thing alone.

Try traditional, it's cool and the people are a lot more fun to be around. DONK's are D$#Ks from my personal experience.

 

Ya, I see your point Buzznut but I got the wheels for almost nothing because someone else left them at the shop after ordering them. Maybe someone from here after realizing their error. I got them cheaper than ordering cooker tires and wheels from kantar. maybe later I can get some wheels but cash is light on my end.

 

Are you saying that these two cars are both DONKS? Sorry for posting this I just want to be clear.


this is a donk to me



57 caddy on 22"

 

They both look like shit . Now be aware there'd be different kinds of shit too.

We could point out that the black specs on chicken shit is different but it's still chicken shit at the end of the day

 

That first car should never have come into existence. Putting expensive wheels on grandma's old LTD does not make you a customizer.
That Caddy looks like it has some potential, but yeah, it's a limp donk or lowrod. Think about it, to be able to turn it will have to be aired up to near donk height to clear the fenders, and the turn radius is compromised as well due to the width of those wheels.
I've always thought of cars like that caddy as bastardmobiles. They're an infusion of multiple styles that don't go together. So the only "scene" that will accept them is the scene of owners with similar tastes. Lowriders, kustom guys and hot rodders will all throw up in their mouths a little when they see such a nice looking caddy with so much potential built into something that looks like a channeled donk.
And technically that top one isn't a donk either. The original donk style was to have the wheels tucked under the fenders, and the car slightly raked with the ass lower in the rear. That's more of a clown car.

 

So with reasonable sized rims and aired up to stock ride hight, what does that 57 become? Seems like that's the only difference from that explanation. Seems like minor details for such distinct classifications.

Man, I can't wait to get my 68 done so people can tell me what it is. Stock wheels, airbags, non-factory paint.......

 

Honestly it really kinda is on the outside at least. But if that car was aired up and on different wheels you'd be able to see just how much of the fenders where cut out which will look like ass.
Wheels do seem to make or break a lot of cars. If you think about it you'll see what I mean. Every classification runs a specific wheel it seems. lowriders prefer spokes and 5 star mags. Muscle car guys run either stock wheels or mags, gasser guys run slots, etc, etc. Stance and wheel treatment seem to change a great deal.
The biggest thing I don't like about the low rods is usually the interiors. Modern seats (I've see Recaro racing seats used) fiberglass panels to hold speakers, modern gizmo's everywhere, etc.
I gave up trying to stick with a style. Like you I guess I will wait until everyone tells me what my car is to know. I'm happy with it just being my car and built the way I want it.

 

I doing some mods the inner fender well so I can turn at a normal ride height. My 22 have the same over all height as the stock wheel that came with the caddy some it shouldn't be to hard. I should never be more than 6" of the ground.


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Wheels can make or break a car, I agree. I wanted a certain style for my 55, so it got a set of torq thrust d's on it. But I don't feel like a car's whole style is dependent on the wheels. From the sounds of it, the OP's car will be a mild custom caddy with big wheels. Not my particular style, but what I like doesn't matter on his car.
That said, my plan for wheels on my 68 will be to paint the stock steelies gloss black, and throw some chrome rings and spider caps on them. But it will be bagged, and painted suede purple metallic. Add some dual glasspacks for fun. Other than that, stock lines, stock trim, stock interior (why ruin cherry black guts?). Conflicting styles? Maybe to some, but not to me. I can see it in my head and I'm liking it. Will it look disjointed? Time will tell, I suppose. Different strokes, you know?

 

dont these wheels and tires look tempting caddy man?

 

Caddyman 76, you couldn't pay me to run those wheels.
Wheels are everything.
Details matter.
You wouldn't walk into a synagogue wearing a Shriner's fez instead of a yarmulke, they're both headwear but one doesn't belong.
I'm not putting my thumb over my monitor to hide your wheels, it's unreasonable of you to ask that of me.

 

Maybe not the whole style, but they are a pretty big part of it.
I've switched wheels several times on my Galaxie. I started out with the steelies, chrome rings and moon caps that were on it when I bought the car. Got tired of them and bought a set of standard offset 100 spoke Dayton wire wheels with skinny whitewalls. Never hit the street with them. Traded them for a set of 13X7 reversed supremes. Put them on and bingo, it suddenly looked right.
Sounds like our builds are similar, I'm bagged, stock interior (cleaned up and dressed up a bit) but I haven't yet decided on paint. I'm thinking black body, red flaked lid with some black patterns of some sort and possibly some sort of patterns on the car itself as well. Paint is a long way down the road.
I don't really think your style is disjointed, but maybe it's because we have a similar style. But on either one of our cars if we were to decide to throw on some huge modern wheels it would throw the "style" off.