Some of your pictures are of french Matford like the delivery which is not a 36, the 4 door is an imported 36 Ford sold by Matford. As for pick ups in France : not a single brand ever sold round back cab, they've always been flat cab and the boxes have always been wide square boxes protruding outside the cab. That 36 pick up with red grill has Aussie plates so most likely it comes from down there. To me it's Australian not French.
Sorry, was not clear which of the photo belong to the car I want identify! The car I'm trying to identify, is the black pick-up, with old grill (not red grill), with red interior, whose engine is out of the car!
what is your opinion about of the engine? The ch***is number is: *18-F3****x0* The engine munber is: *18-F4****x3**
Right hand drive, KPH speedo (in french it's KMH), round back of cab this thing is australian or NZ, what about South Africa were they in KPH? Matford didn't use the star in front of their VIN, but the F means France you're right except that canadian models exported to NZ, South Africa and Australia had an F in their VIN to state right hand drive...
Soooo I did a research, Panama, Argentina, Paraguay and uruguay were driving on the wrong side of the road before the 40's that would make it easier for that car to reach Brazil.
I know its not the one you want information on, but the red grille has a VIC (Victoria, Australia) rego plate
chris i was led to believe F in the vin means foreign not france. I have a '35 roadster which came flatpacked from canada and ***embled in Dagenham and it has a C in its VIN. I am in the UK and as such my car is RHD.
Ford down here built coupe utilities not a separate cab and pick up back. Ford didn't import US models, they stopped in NZ and didn't come over the ditch. Australia didn't go metric until many years later like NZ after we got decimal currency. Sth. American cars were export Canadian cars and RHD up until WWII. After that they went to LHD. Coach built? Sth. African cars were complete knock down (CKD) RHD from what I've been told.
That would mean it was south America only? For the F in the Vin on export RHD to NZ, Aussie and South Africa it would be C18 F......from what I read I can't remember where, and not French you're right Weemark that meaning for that letter came later, I got mixed up... For the metric system in NZ and Australia it's all Mad Max fault.
Doesn't look French to me at all, the CIBIE headlamps gl***es are post-war anyway and I've never seen a RHD French (Mat-)Ford.
The serial would provide a lot of clues. In the one above...C=Canadian engine, 18+221, the O is a production batch (canada did short runs of numbers by changing this part), F=RHD.
From what I knew so far ... F would have the sense of RHD only for this VIN format (C18-OF10***) For the VIN format (*18- F******x) F, identify mean engines to France. it would be logical taking into account the type of engine you have see in the photos? other details.. 1- this engine is equal of SIMCA? 2- the lens is CIBIE (marquee deposee) france original! 3- the box of the batery is in the engine compartiment! (equal Matford) what is your opinion about these last three details? Thanks..
The 18 means it is a 221 cubic inch/85 HP flathead...I know Simca made V8 60 types, 136 CI, don't know about 85 HP. Europe would have gotten a mix of USA, Canadian, and British stuff... South America, probably all Ford USA
Sorry Bruce, I do not I understood the last part of your answer (I not found understandable translation) The engine is definitely made in USA. for the U.S. market? (not for export europe or another country) is this?
I asked in a French forum and got several interesting information but not conclusive.. here: http://www.clubvedettefrance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1424 but the hamb is a best fórum, and I hope yours leave here definitive information for this particular automovil! thank you all!
It's impossible to be a Simca engine since at the time Matford/Ford and Simca were not in business together. In 36 the Matford prod was like this: V8-62 : wheel base of 275cm V8 60 engine (grille like a 37 zephyr) V8-66 : wb of 285cm, 21 bolt V8 (Body by Chausson grille like a 35 Ford then like the 37 Zephyr) and the famous battery box in the firewall imported models straight from the US were V8-48 : wb of 285cm, 21 bolt V8 it 's a us 35 Ford only till february 36 V8-68 : same ch***is and mechanic as above it's the US 36 Ford. Imported models had the blue oval emblem marked Matford and not Ford, your firewall with the battery tray looks to have been modified : welds on the side, beads on the top cut out. One thing you should try is contact the owner of the Australian pick up like yours. Once again no RHD Matford ever and they've never been exported. The headlight could come from something else like a Citroen Traction for exemple which is a car that was widely exported.
If serials are like your post, *18F-####*, engines would be USA or perhaps British (they got numbers from USA series)...check out the actual numbers here to see if they line up with USA 1936 for the ch***is, and to find out what engine is from: http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flathead_serialnumbers.htm I don't think much od a French Ford in 1936 would have been from France, I think they were probably making model 62's from British supply (later to be the Matford) and the Model 68, the general type here, was probably USA parts mostly if serial follows USA number series. If numbers were the Canadian series, I would guess the '36 Ford parts were supplied via England which I think got much of the big model Ford material from Canada.
Matford in Straßburg (French "Strasbourg") started ***embly of V8 models in 1934 with bodies produced locally by Chausson. As Ford did not have a stamping and foundry in the French Poissy plant, flathead engine blocks were initially also cast at Chausson. Other local suppliers (transmission, tires, instruments, starter, generator, lamps, glazing, etc.) were used as well to avoid local content import taxes. The Cibie (now Valeo) headlamps shown on the photos feature modern European e-mark approval marks, which clearly identifies they are post '60s.
As I understand it now, there is a possibility that this pick-up is British, or perhaps Australian, since his sister mate (red grid) is this country .. I will continue my research .. i thank all friends by its great knowledge and willingness to find a correct answer for this case!
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