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Can you wipe body filler down with wax and grease remover?

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  1. oldrelics
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    Can you wipe body filler down with wax and grease remover?
     
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  2. Unkl Ian
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    Can you ? Or should you ?
     
  3. oldrelics
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    Should I? :rolleyes:


    I guess I should ask about wiping poly primer with it too....
     
  4. Quintin
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    I do it every day. If you are cleaning for priming i like to let it dry for about 30 min to let the solvents dry out.
     
  5. fastcar1953
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    i say no you should'nt. the filler will soak it up like a sponge. then come back to haunt you after you paint. just my 2 cents
     
  6. greazy john
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    have done it that way with no bad results,had an employee that had been doing it for years with no bad results,still not completely comfortble with doing that way,thinking it might trap dust in the pores even if you use air afterwards ????
     
  7. Roger Walling
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    No!

    Of course, if you have to, yes, but wait a few days for the solvent to get out and hope that the filler doesn't fall off after you paint it.

    (Like mine did 40 years ago... It still hurts to think about it.)
     
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  8. FIFTY2
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    I wiped mine down before I painted it.....body filler and all...been about three years no paint problems !
    [​IMG]
     
  9. HOTRODPRIMER
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    The stuff evaporates/flashes almost as fast as you wipe it down so the filler doesn't absorb the prep,,if you ignore this step you can have oil from your skin that can cause primers & paint to loose adhesion and lift.

    I might be overly **** but this is how I was taught and I have never had a problem. HRP
     
  10. stimpy
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    my body guy does it all the time on the final prep before priming , just let it air off for a few minutes to make sure its flashed off , don't soak it . just a quick wipe .
     
  11. Rusty O'Toole
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    I was taught to wipe with a wet rag in one hand and wipe dry with a dry rag in the other hand. The Prepsol should not be allowed to dry or soak in .
     
  12. Krash
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    Use lead.... Ha ha


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  13. Reds 29
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    I do the wet rag in one hand and dry rag in the other and don't let it soak in. I also let it sit for a couple minutes before priming to let any left evaporate.
    Red
     
  14. Rattaxi48
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    i do every time i do a big area in filler . it makes the surface look like gl*** and gives you a chance to see what your work looks like with a shine on it . it has saved me from a few minor reworks.
     
  15. bigdog
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    Been doing it for 40 years-never caused a problem yet but I gaurantee grease,oil, left on the filler will.
     
  16. seb fontana
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    x2..
     
  17. Jeff J
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    YES , If ya want the oil and grease and what ever on to let your coating peel of later down the road ,then don't use it !!!Read the can or bottle label or tech sheet on the product as the time period for coating to be applied !! Most of the time I wait a hour ! I wipe my stuff down all the time as you never know what's in the air and has landed on your project !! Good Luck !!!
     

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  18. riskybiz
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    I do it every time I do body work or metal finish before I prime. Have never had any problems. When you wet down your body work it will show any imperfections you many have. Don't worry about it being absorbed in the plastic, just give it a hit with air or let air dry before appling primer.
    My .02 cents and over 40 yrs as a body/Paint tech.
     
  19. overspray
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    I believe there are 3, yes at least THREE (maybe more), types of pre paint cleaners or wax and grease removers.

    The first type is a product like PPG DX440 wax and grease remover, Prep-Sol, and other fairly aggressive solvent wipes that will dissolve tar, wax, and grease very readily. They evaporate slower than the final wipe type alcohol products and can cause problems soaking into the bare filler if they are not completely evaporated out. They contain aggressive solvents and could dissolve contaminants which could penetrate into the filler and cause some serious problems later.

    The second type is an alcohol type wipe that evaporates very fast and usually is used for the last pre paint wipe down. This one should be easy to identify because of it's extremely quick evaporation. This should not cause a problem with the filler, but it may not remove all contaminants and you should still leave some time for complete evaporation.

    The third type is the water based pre paint wipe. This will clean contaminants that solvent based products will not dissolve, like organic material. These may soak into the filler and not evaporate out for some time and could cause problems.

    Probably most filler manufacturers do not want you to use a solvent wipe on bare filler. I do and have been for years with out problems. Of course there are those that will abuse and over do everything and they will most likely have a failure. I like the mild alcohol pre paint wipe for a quick cleaning if I need it. I don't need it all the time.

    overspray
     
  20. arielucrz
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    i say no you should'nt. the filler will soak it up like a sponge[​IMG]
     
  21. PeteFromTexas
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    Do it every day. You just have to give it time to air out. Most wax and grease removers evaporate very quickly. Been doing it as a professional bodyman/painter for years and never had a single problem.
     
  22. 1931modela
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