If you can get to the numbers and still cant read them try to put a post it note or s**** paper over it and run a pencil back n forth over it to make an impression so you can read it or put a lil dirt on your finger tip and run it over the paper. Its worked for me in the past. good luck
You need the casting number, also how many freeze plugs are on the side of the block? If its anything other than a 421 or 428 it's not really worth 500.
Even then it depends on what the numbers are. And if you can't get $500 for a 455 something is wrong with you. I sold one 15 years ago that the guy didn't even want to see run and threw away the heads and intake on for $400 - and he drove an hour and a half to come help me pull it.
what he said is he wants $500 for it....it what? whole convert or just motor?....like you guys have said - even $500 for a an old motor you don't see that often is good....IF he's getting the convert with it.... oh boy....RustyNewYorker....we could have fun with that money....!!!
I don't recall a '66 421 having the Thermovac valve (on the intake next to thermostat housing) or the PCV valve.
Not a 421. It's a smog engine. It's from the 70s not the 60s. I would leave it where you found it unless you like hauling iron around. It has a EGR intake manifold on it which would make it at least a 73. I think someone is messing with you.
Well, given the interchangability of Pontiac stuff there is no way to be certain what it is without the codes. That said, I'm not sure they sold the 421 in Canada. Up through about '69 seems like they were still using the Chevy ch***is on Canadian Pontiacs - including some models that literally were just rebadged Chevys with a slightly different grille. But I have a '72 Grandville that was built in Canada with a 455, so I presume that for a while you could get a true Pontiac up there. Of course, someone could have imported one, however I'm thinking they'd be just a little more scarce there as opposed to in the US.
Even by dumb luck it ended up being a 455 the most it would be rated at is 250hp and it goes down from there if it's a 76 engine. Someone just painted the engine red, there should be blue paint on it. Looking at the pictures, I would say it's a 73 or 74 engine. The alternator bracket is from that time frame. The engine is date coded. There is also a block number on the p***enger side near the bellhousing. Also the engine size is cast into the block near the fuel pump.
I sold a 455 for 250 last year, I had it listed for 8 months for 325.00. It was complete in running original condition. I'll stick with my first post on here.
Listed where, under a rock? Here's four that sold for more and all were sold as non-running cores, some missing major parts like intakes. You can't touch a runner for less than a grand. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-455...Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac543272e&vxp=mtr http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Pontia...Parts_Accessories&hash=item35c8488019&vxp=mtr http://www.ebay.com/itm/PONTIAC-455...fits=Make:Pontiac&hash=item33828a2c39&vxp=mtr http://www.ebay.com/itm/PONTIAC-455...Parts_Accessories&hash=item4173a80230&vxp=mtr
Try cruising " completed listings" I checked 4 pages worth and didnt see any sales. Listings and wishings don't count too much
Every one of those links *is* a completed listing that sold. Maybe if you'd actually looked at them? Hell, one of them the guy pulled the motor 20 years ago and another one the guy admitted it had a rod knock when it was pulled, also ages ago. I was dealing in Pontiac stuff before I even knew the HAMB existed, for a number of years my daily driver was a 455 car, I had a couple of different ones, and I started out driving a 1-of-327 built manual trans Gran Prix. They were expensive then, they're expensive now. I forget though sometimes this is the HAMB, between the tightwads and the guys who still think it's 1975 90% of the opinions of the value of something will be half the going rate, or less.
Let me rephrase my post. I see the ones you've linked are labeled as sold. But when I looked up pontiac 455 engines with "completed listings" selected I didn't see any that actually sold after 4 pages of scrolling. I did see that there were some that didnt sell, id imagine its probably because of the high price. Better ?
I purposely omitted very high priced sold listings, there were a couple; there were a couple overpriced used runners, but market seems to be around $1200 - none were cheaper than that. Christ, when I bought my second Grandville guys were lined up behind me that no problem dropping $800 on it just to get the motor out of it. That was 15 years ago. Anyways, I'm tired of this ******* match. One guy's sale experience who clearly had no idea what he was doing or what he was selling, does not a going price make, not when I can pull up listings for stuff that could be completely set up frozen bringing more money and without any shipping on them in all of two minutes of looking. Not when my own experience selling the same damn thing - and back then in a local newspaper cl***ified at that - tells me it's wrong. My guess is it was posted on here, and ads on here you get exactly what you pay for, they don't get near the views of a paid ad elsewhere. Now let's see what the codes on OP's "421" turn up; my bet is it will be a later 400 or 455. Even then always worth running the codes on the off chance it's a desirable block. But $500 seems to be more than fair for any running Pontiac motor outside of a 301, ***uming the compression is good and there's no signs of trouble in the oil or anyplace else. They haven't made one since 1977, they don't grow on trees anymore. If I couldn't get that for it I'd part it out - one guy sold just the heads for $400, and it wasn't even clear without looking at the pictures which heads they were.
Rusty, from Rochester and now in Miami and looking for a 1964 421 Grand Prix, if you know of one please PM me and I will be happy to consider it, stick or auto, does not matter, but want a heavily optioned car. I have a thread in the big Pontiacs wanted also. Thanks, Dave
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