air baggit questions????

Ive decided im going with slam sprcialties ss-8 bags on everycorner and a triangulated bag over bar kit from thorbros in the rear , the only two questions I have now is how should I do shocks and brands ive heard just standared monroes work good and allso will the straight joints be severelly effected by side to side movement?

 

This is not true, at all. Close to 95% of all the components I have used in the last decade, were made in the USA.

Slam Specialties bags are made in Fresno, California, by really nice people, getting paid decent wages.

Looking is the first step to finding.

 

Monroes will work, but I prefer something of a bit better variety. I have had better ride quality from KYB shocks. Primarily GR-2/Excel G. models. They are a bit more expensive than a Monroe, but not outrageous.

The bushings will handle the side-to-side movement, nicely.

 

On a tri 4 link the upper bars should be angled more than it look like in this pic but it might be just the pic that is deciving me. The upper bars need to be angled on less than 35 degrees so the rear end does not flex side to side to much when cornering or you will need to install a pan hard bar. Also if you plan to mount the bags in front of the axle on the lower bar and angle the upper bars the needed 35 degrees that upper bar get real close to the bag and can cause you allot of headakes. If you must have a 4 link i would do a parallel and mount the upper bars on the out side of the frame with a long pan hard bar. If you make your pan hard as long as possible and level at 1/2 suspension travel your rear end should move about a total of 1/4". As for shocks any quality heavy duty gas shock will work well.

Rick Erickson / Extreme Kustoms 951 678-3520

 

Rick, I am a Masters Degree holding ch***is engineer, with over 30-years of experience, and over 300 complete ch***is setups under my belt. The angles are correct, I ***ure you. This truck has been finished for about 3 years, and drives and handles quite well, and the customer is very happy.

 

I did not mean in any way to put your work down. Just your pic looks like the upper bars are angled less than 35 degrees. I personally see and redo allot of unsafe bag jobs as you most likely do also and just wanted to held others build there's safe so bags do not get any more of a bad rap. I unlike you have no collage degree and have learned it all the old school way of hard knocks of what works and what does not. I have built many for customers, myself and driven allot of off road and on road racing cars & trucks over the last 35 years and i know when you corner fast most of it's weight can easily be transferred to side load and i have found that a tri 4 bar even with the upper bars angled at 45 degrees will have more side to side flex than one with a pan hard bar.

Rick Erickson / Extreme Kustoms 951 678-3520

 

We use the Air Lift Dominator bags in most of our builds, great results only had one failure out of hundreds. We keep them and most all other air ride parts in stock.

 

how the heck am i supposed to do shocks


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like travel wise im probally gunna have a 16 in travel

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Once you have everything else together, you will need to figure out your extremes of travel, up and down, and find a shock that can be mounted in a way that can accommodate that travel. Ideally, you will want a shock and mounting configuration that is as close to the travel of the suspension as possible, without being bottomed or topped out, at zero and full pressure in the bags. That can kill a shock, quickly.

Slam Specialties bags have built-in bump stops, others don't. If you are using a bag without a bump stop inside, you should install bump stops of some kind.

There is a handy PDF Monroe shock guide here on the board, if I can find it, or somebody can post a link. It shows a wide range of mounting configurations and shock sizes. I often look up what I need there, figure out what vehicle that shock was for, and they find a KYB or Bilstein shock for that application.

I always do shocks last, when the wheels and tires that are going to stay on there, are on there, and everything else is done.

As for travel, shocks can be mounted at an angle, and on the control arm, if need be, to accommodate travel. This, of course, does affect how they work, so there are limits.

 

Whoop, there it is: http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229464&highlight=monroe+shock+order

 

Good info here

 

http://thorbros.com/4-link-parts/4-link-bar-bag-mounts/super-lift-center-mount-brackets

heres the set up im doin for the rear anybody have anyvideos of it working or threads of making it happen im really interested and want to get as versed as possible before i rip my frame apart

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZzVf7hNe2w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

anybody know this guy?

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Nope, but ideally the joined end of the wishbone should be on the axle, not the frame. It will "work" the other way, but there could be handling issues.

 

do indidual bars work better than a wish

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Arguably, yes, but, unless you are hitting the road-course, or autocross, you might be hard-pressed to tell the difference.