Register now to get rid of these ads!

ford shoebox rear end/gear ratio ?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Luke__805, Oct 28, 2005.

  1. Luke__805
    Joined: Aug 8, 2004
    Posts: 130

    Luke__805
    Member

    I have a bone stock 49 2 door sedan, it came with the flathead v8 along w/ manual OD trans. I looked up somewhere and it stated that this car came w/ 4.11 gears. Is that correct? Just was curious as far as when doing a motor/trans swap would it be better to just leave the stock rearend and put in a newer OD trans, or swap in a different rear w/ lesser gears and be able to run a th-350 or something you can get for a lot cheaper than an OD trans? I got a 350 motor for cheap, but was trying to sort out the transmission part of the swap. Thanks guys.
     
  2. curtiswyant
    Joined: Feb 6, 2005
    Posts: 461

    curtiswyant
    Member

    You've got lots of options. I believe the 3spds no OD had 3.73 and 3spd w/OD had 4.11. I've got a '49 with the original 3.73 rear, I'm running a flatty and a 5-speed to give me low highway rpms. Maverick are a bolt-in, I think, and they have a better highway ratio if you're not using an OD trans.
     
  3. slammy
    Joined: Aug 23, 2005
    Posts: 138

    slammy
    Member

    Don't forget about www.shoeboxford.com. I would be shocked if that issue hasn't been addressed in that forum before.
     
  4. Michael Malice
    Joined: Oct 13, 2004
    Posts: 281

    Michael Malice
    Member
    from DePere, WI

    Non-OD rear is 3.73 and the OD rear ratio would be 4.10 (I am using a '51 OD rear under my A sedan). If you need to rebuild it you'll be having some real fun ordering bearings, races, gaskets, etc. from 4 or 5 different places. If you need ***istance locating the stuff I have it do***ented somewhere.
    Mike
     
  5. FiddyFour
    Joined: Dec 31, 2004
    Posts: 9,024

    FiddyFour
    Member

    these rears didnt change much on the '54 Ford did they? If they are the same i'd also be interested in that parts locating info you got :D
     
  6. Michael Malice
    Joined: Oct 13, 2004
    Posts: 281

    Michael Malice
    Member
    from DePere, WI

    Alot of the stuff is the same, PM me with your e-mail addy and I will dig up the info and get it to you. I have to look through some receipts and then check the numbers...give me a little time.
    Mike
     
  7. FiddyFour
    Joined: Dec 31, 2004
    Posts: 9,024

    FiddyFour
    Member

    fiddyfour@gmail.com

    'preciate it :D
     
  8. SwitchBlade327
    Joined: Dec 15, 2002
    Posts: 2,911

    SwitchBlade327
    Member

    When i ripped the rear out of my 53 it had 4:11's in it......they were in pieces, but they WERE 4:11's....
     
  9. Kyle(666)
    Joined: Oct 25, 2005
    Posts: 148

    Kyle(666)
    Member

    hey, if its not a huge h***le, could i get that info also? I pulled the rear end out of my shoebox and am thinking about rebuilding it for a hot rod project. thanks!
     
  10. Luke__805
    Joined: Aug 8, 2004
    Posts: 130

    Luke__805
    Member

    Yeah , I just figured I might find out what year/make is the closest to if not a bolt in. Just due to the fact that a th-350 or 400 is always easy to find and a lot cheaper than a 700r4 or 200r4. My rearend seems to be in good shape so maybe i'll just find an OD trans, so it'll turn lower rpms ,cuz it'll see a lot of freeway time. I guess whatever turns up first.
     
  11. LUKESTER
    Joined: Aug 16, 2002
    Posts: 425

    LUKESTER
    Member

    MALICE!!!!!! lets see that hot rod sedan you been ****ing with....... LUKESTER
     
  12. Stafford
    Joined: Feb 15, 2005
    Posts: 109

    Stafford
    Member
    from N. Georgia

    I never have counted the teeth but the shop manual says that a non-o/d car is 3.50 & o/d cars like everyone said had the 4.11.
    Stafford
     
  13. Michael Malice
    Joined: Oct 13, 2004
    Posts: 281

    Michael Malice
    Member
    from DePere, WI

    I post some pics on a new thread tonight...digging through rust piles today again at some old timers place.

    Here are some part numbers and place avail., note that half the time this stuff is on back order and you will have to reorder again.

    Front Pinion Bearing = 8A-4621
    Pinion Bearing Rear = 8A-4630
    Rear Axle Pinion Seal = 8A4676
    Rear Axle Bearings = 8A-1225-A
    Gasket Backing Plate & Axle Housing = 8A-2256
    Rear Wheel Bearing Retainer Gaskets = 8A-2245
    Retainer For Wheel Bearing = 8A-1180
    Rear Axle Seal = 8A1177-A
    Rear Axle Bearings = 8A-4221
    Rear Axle Bearing Races = 8A-4222
    Front Pinon Bearing Race = 8A-4626
    Rear Pinion Bearing Race = 8A4628

    Your best bet is to look at Mac's first, BUT call in your order, they back order everything it seems. Next is Dennis Carpenter Reproductions. I think I covered everything if I missed something let me know. Hope this helps.

    I am also double checking on the ratios but I still think the O/D diff is 4.10 if not I stand to be corrected .
    Mike
     
  14. paulie_boy13
    Joined: Mar 1, 2005
    Posts: 269

    paulie_boy13
    Member
    from NC

    57 ford wagon=same length but the spring perches are offset a 1/2 inch wider and the gears are 3.5(4?)...same bolt pattern so you an use your stock rims. and its a 9 inch
     
  15. straycat62
    Joined: Oct 8, 2005
    Posts: 32

    straycat62
    Member
    from Indiana

    Mid '70's maverick rears are swap in. 54" (I think) backing plate to backing plate. They still keep the 5 on 4.5? bolt pattern. There are 8 in rear end and will hold up I hear under moderate abuse. I grab rubber in 3 of 4 forward gears in mine all the time. I think some 8in's had really low highway gears like 3.00 .

    P.S. A friend of mine has got one for sale in Indy if interested.
    straycat62@hotmail.com
     
  16. Cliffy
    Joined: Oct 21, 2001
    Posts: 2,127

    Cliffy
    Member

    I am parting out 10 - 57-59 Fords if you want a 9" Price is $100 each. They all will need going through I am sure. The early rears are actually a 8 3/4" R&P I believe, but the 9" carrier bolts in also.
    I am located in Oshkosh, WI. 5 rears are accounted for from Tuck and Bobbleed, the rest are first come, first serve.
     

Share This Page

Register now to get rid of these ads!

Archive

Copyright © 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.

Atomic Industry
Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.