The Hornets are in the 12's !!!!

TULSA RACEWAY PARK---Breaking News---. The Hornets HA/GR dragster has officially established a new record E.T. for it's cl*** by turning a 12.99 @ 97.6 MPH. Mudflap261 once again worked his tuning magic and with Al Schram handling the driving duties the Hornet posted it's best run ever.

It looks like the "Ram-ettes" may have to spend some more money to get their "flattie" back in the race.

See you next season boys!!

 

Impressive !!

 

Congratulations guys! What were the speeds? Did you break 100?

Brad

 

looks like HAMB drags 06 will be interesting!

 

Congrats guys !!!!!

 

Good work. I still predict that overhead valve inline sixes have the ability to hit the 11s, especially with engines as late as '62.

 

i donno,,, i'd be REAL pleased to see the eye sicks jockeys like myself sneak into the mid 12's, but i think bustin the 12 mark and dippin into the 11's is wishfull thinkin

 

I have to agree with Jim. Internal engine mods are basically unlimited by the rules. It is simply a matter of time and $$$$$.

 

Uhhh...yeah...Mr. Horneyette Hindman hisself HAS been known ta stretch the truth just a tad, don'tcha know. Where's the pic of the time slip?.... and I fer one would like to smell Hindends'...err...mans' fuel! Looks like 'nuther gauntlet has been thrown down. Hmmm...where's my checkbook?

 

Props to the whole team. I am impressed with your skills,on a chunk of decades old cast iron!!Sparky

 

Which is exactly what killed drag racing to begin with, don't let it kill something as pure as this cl***!
Skip

 

How do you stop it and still race heads up?

 

I run dirt track cars. We have had the same problem for years. Rules get made to benefit a particular make or type car. For example, a rules meeting with 98 chevy guys and 2 ford drivers. How the hell do you think the rules are gonna go? The last year for a flathead engine was 1953 so the last year year for the six cylinders should be the same. If you want to run later model 6 cyl. engines, make the year model cut off at 1965 so I can run my 300 ford six [ 12 port head, 7 main bearing] and I will start building one tonight,not even hold off until monday. You just cant compare a flattie to a later model 6 cyl. ,now compared to a 300 ford,that chevy six would be about equal

Andy

 

What internal engine mods are you guys referring to? The 1958 block,crank, rods and pistons are the same ones that were in the engine when we pulled it from the salvage yard. The cam is from Comp with 232 degrees duration at .050, The head has new valves and springs but no porting was done. The rings, bearings and gaskets are new and we are running two single barrel stock rochester carburetors on a homemade intake manifold. We have spent several hours tuning at the track to find the right jetting and timing to make this stovebolt work.I know we have less $$$$ in our engine than either of the Flatties. (less than $1,000 so far)

The 1962 chevy sixes are the same as any old stovebolt. The 1963 Chevy sixes are the newer design with more mains and better heads. That's why Sam-I-Am made that year the cutoff. This engine runs good because we are drag racers and we worked at it long and hard. Were not ruining drag racing we are doing what old time drag racers have always done, making what you have run as fast as you can.

 

The 1962 chevy six has 4 mains and old style head. It would a lot better with a 12 port head and more mains like your Ford but that is why Sam-I-Am had the cut off at 1962, they are the same low technology as any old stovebolt. The 1962 isn't considered a later model because it is the same mechanically as a 1953.

 

I agree. Set one cl*** at 1955 and an other at 1965. I say build that 300 Ford monster. If you and somebody else build each build one, then you've got a cl***. I like the flatty, but if OHV is a second and a half faster, I may have to join you.

 

What I was saying is that $$$ WILL kill this cl***, just as it has all others, it's natural for a racer to want to go faster, but when cubic dollars outwiegh sheer ingenuity you have the beginning of the end, look at "vintage" Top Fuel racing, I can recall a time in vintage racing that 3 or 4 regular joes could run a compe***ve T/F car on the vintage circuit, then somebody decided they wanted to go faster, had one of the new "highchair" T/F ch***is built and BAM! The end of fun T/F racing. Just my $.02 if it were up to me, well, let's just not go there

Skip

 

Mike, my remark has nothing to do with your car or engine. I simply meant that with our rules I think that someone will go into the elevens eventually. Someone with the time and money WILL make the elevens.
I have seven hundred dollars in my flathead carb to pan. Brad

 

All them old retired *******s has way to much time on there hands. Its not the money yet. All they do is work on it. The reason they went 12.99 is because Al Schram drove it and he weighs about 125lbs, not like the regular drivers and I wont even guess how much they weigh(200+). Dont worry the Ram Rods flathead will be ready for the six next year. Now where's those ****ing scales?

 

3W Larry Here are your time sheets. Let them speak for themselfs. We will be ready for your flat head in 06. Keep on working boys. With Speedy Al Schram at the wheel and the Hornet weight of 1735 Lbs. Is about a 200 Lb. advantage to you Ramrods better keep on working.

 

Those were ****ty reaction times,and that what I,m counting on from you guys. Oh! by the way the Ram Rods are going to build a 300lb car. HAHA

 

I am building one of these, and 12.99 just means I have to do my homework and get it built so I can test and tune and be ready for Mokan next year.
I have to agree with the Hornets team. They may dominate for a year or two, but the more of these built, the more compe***ion.
I may have to do some head work and manifold work to get mine to run as good as their's, so what, isn't this what drag racing is about?
I am impresed with the times they are turning, I never figured anyone would be in the 12's the first year.

 

Tingler and i have a plan in the works for a rail job weighing in at less than a grand... yea then we woke up lmao

its interesting to watch all the current teams and cars, seeing what works and what dont... makes things a ton easier for guys like me who have nothing much but a pile of parts and some vague ideas of a car.

 

I'd like to thank the Hornets for the opportunity to drive thier HAMBster. It was a BLAST!
It was a gorgeous afternoon on Saturday and we had a blast.

We made seven runs and I think they went something like this:
13.36, 13.19, 12.99, 13.07, 13.5?, 13.4? & 13.2?

We were hot lapping it like a factory stock. After every run I barely had time to get a drink of water and smoke a cig and Bob would holler out "Suit UP!" The run before the 12 I tried to go over to the consession and grab a bite and they stopped me - heehee

I'd give a lot of credit to these guys for the fact that they are testing the car and learning about it, thats how it's done! We tried a little of everything, from plug gap to carb jetting to doing a burnout (or at least my sad attempt at one )

all in all - A PLAIN JANE FUN *** TIME!

thanks again goes out to the Hornet Crew


For the record - I weigh 135
Al Schramm

 

Traitor

 

LMAO oh wow... Brad said the same thing to me.

Where's the love guys?

 

MR MAC the Hornets thank you and the Speed Mechants for the compliments you called us old retired *******s and they called us treacherous old men What do you think about haveing a dedicated site for ha/gr for tips and pics

 

What type of cars are you guys running? I agree -- since the technology of the 62 engine is the same as a 53, the cut-off is reasonable. Those engines should have forged cranks and rods (the flattie also), and the blocks are cast thicker until 63-64 as well.

Cubic $$$ can be a cl***/fun killer! When you have a bunch of guys racing on a budget and having fun, it's a killer when someone comes in with a way bigger budget. that usually takes a lot of fun out of it for most people. But it's the same with any hobby. About 15 years ago I participated in SCA (Society of Creative Anachronisms -- the Medieval Faire people) as a fighter. It was fun when you could make your own armor and such. As the hobby grew, and some people with money got more into it, most of the home made armor was deemed "to risky" and a rules changed, driving a lot of people who were the back-bone of the hobby for years completely out of it. Most of the rule changes were well-intentioned, and a few were necessary, but very few people got hurt in the years before. If you don't want to take a few bruises, you don't suit up and beat each other with sticks!!

 

Here is a run-down of the rules that were sent to me on Sept 11, 2005:

The name is HAMB Gas Rail or HA/GR

1. Stock or modified stock frame rails, rectangular tube or round tube
3'' diameter or larger.

2. Stock width front axles and rear ends only.

3. All cars must be equipped with a minimum four point roll bar of 1
3/4" tubing with a main hoop higher than the driver's head and 2 support
bars down to the frame towards the firewall. Tubing must meet NHRA
minimum wall thickness for application.

4. Cars with keyed axles must use hub safety retainers.

5. Closed drivelines are encouraged. If open driveline is used
driveshaft must have a 1 1/2" x 1/4" "driveshaft loop" within 6 1/2" of front
and rear universal joints and be totally covered/sealed off from driver
with steel or aluminum floor pan.

6. Cars must have cowl or body and proper floor boards/belly pan to
prevent driver's legs from exiting vehicle in event of a crash.

7. All cars must have a firewall.

8. No "slingshot" ch***is. Driver and engine must be positioned between
the front and rear axles.

9. Cars must be equipped with an engine mounted starter and be self
starting.

10. Batteries must be securely mounted in a tray made out of angle iron
and have 3/8" studs or bolts with a 1" x 1/8" or larger strap accross
the top.

11. All cars must have a master battery cutoff switch accessable from
outside the car.

12. All cars must have at least one red rear running light for night
racing.

13. Flathead v8 or inlines, pre 1962 inline engines with stock cylinder
blocks only. No OHV V8s or V6s.

14. Engines must be naturally aspirated. No superchargers, turbos or
nitrous oxide.

15. No electronic ignition boxes that mount outside the distributor or
"coil in cap" HEIs. Conversions such as "ignitor" or "stinger" that fit
within a stock dist cap are allowed. Aftermarket magnetos not allowed.

16. Pump gas/racing gas only. No Methanol, nitromethane, or alcohol.

17. Era specific carbs only, stock appearing- no modern
Holley,Edelbrock, or other aftermarket carbs.

18. Fuel lines can have no single rubber piece longer than 24", must be
fastened by hose clamps, not hard or cracked.

19. Cars equipped with a cooling system or water tank must use a
radiator cap and overflow/catch can system.

20. Automatic transmissions are allowed, but NOT encouraged (this rule
could change next year as we really like to see three pedals). All
automatic transmissions must run STOCK torque converters. All cars with
clutches must run a stamped steel bell housing or a 1/4" ****ter shield.

21. Cars must have rims no wider than 5.5" and only bias ply street
treaded tires allowed. No radials, slicks, or cheater slicks allowed. Tire
tread width must measure no more than 6".

22. Drivers must wear full face helmet, single layer (or more) fire
retardant jacket or suit, jeans (or fire retardant pants), and leather
shoes.

23. Five point NHRA approved safety harness required.

24. All cars must be of general soundness and safety. Must have all lug
nuts, sound steering, cotter pins in place, and heim ends "captured"
etc. Must p*** all tracks general safety rules.

25. No electronic/pneumatic drivers aids such as rev limiters, two
steps, shift lights or electric shifters. Tachometers are allowed if they
don't have a rev limiter or a shift light.

26. Cars must be built in the spirit of the "Bug" and other early rail
jobs. If ya aren't familiar, ya better ask...

 

Here is a picture of the Speed Merchants rail: