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I Cut My Springs....and NOW I Have a Question...

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 4woody, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. 4woody
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    When I cut the springs on my 50 Plymouth it didn't matter that the cut end doesn't sit flat because the Plymouth had a helical relief in the spring support so the cut end nestled in like it was made for it.
    I just cut the springs for my 38 Chrysler, then found that the spring support is flat and the spring wants to sit cockeyed as a result.
    Here is tan uncut spring posed next to a cut one. Note how the last coil on the uncut one is flattened, and also is spaced closer to coil #2.
     

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  2. squirrel
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    yeah....um, what's the question? :)
     
  3. Squablow
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    I think you are going to need to heat up the cut spring about 5" down the coil (about a half of a turn) and bend it down so it's flatter. Should fix the trouble.
     
  4. jalopy43
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    On those type,you have to heat,and bend about a half-coil to get it sit flat. Grinding may help it a bit also. The heating and bending may weaken it into breaking eventually. Maybe quenching in oil can keep the temper in it.:Dsparky
     
  5. 4woody
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    ...So I made a widget by welding some spacers to a steel ring to support more of the last coil of the cut spring.
    Any reason this won't work?
    Was it even necessary, or was this not a problem in the first place??
     

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  6. Yo Baby
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    You gotta love it when a guy solves his own problem.LOL

    T.OUT
     
  7. ray
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    honestly, you'd be better off bending it flat, those welds will break.
     
  8. autocol
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    generally speaking, welding spring steel is a bad idea. there are different alloys of steel for different applications, and spring steel is designed so that it can be heat-treated until it's extremely hard, which gives it a high yield strength (which is critical for springs).

    a side effect of extreme hardness is a propensity to crack. welding it only increases the probability of this occuring. you'll note that coil springs don't have any sharp corners anywhere... sharp corners create a stress concentration and promote cracking.

    i don't have enough practical experience to tell you whether your solution will survive or break, but the experience i DO have tells me it's probably going to fail.

    sorry dude.
     
  9. 50flathead
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    The spring wants to flex and move around. The welds want to remain rigid. This conflict will result in something breaking.
     
  10. fur biscuit
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    i would cut the widget off, cause (no offence) it doesn't appear that you could ever have enough welds, not that you should ever weld on a spring. heating and bending the coil so it lays over flatter is definately the best option.
     
  11. 4woody
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    I guess I wasn't clear about the thing I made: The spacers are welded to a ring that will just sit (unwelded) between the end of the spring and the seat it sets into on the control arm. No welding to the spring at all, I was trying to avoid heating it.
    I have a mig, but no O/A setup, so if this will work it is easier for me, but if it is a dumb idea I'll have to find a torch to use.
     

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  12. I think that'll work, as long as it sits in a pocket and can't slide off.

    You might be putting pin-point pressure on the spot where the tallest spacer ends, though... Maybe round that sharp corner.

    I'd try it, and see... just keep an eye on it.



    JOE:cool:
     

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