It looks like I have two front 36's... yet no ribs around the outside. They do measure 12" on the inside diameter. Can anyone say for sure what they are? Also, can these drums replace wide five drums as a bolt-on? If not, what can I do and or purchase to make them fit a completely stock front axle ***embly with wide five brakes on it? Thanks!
These look like '32 to '35. Others can probably tell exactly which year. The spindle for these hubs is not the same as the '36.
Some late 36 production cars/pickups had spindles with the small backing plae flange but the shorter axle stub like the 37-48 spindles.
There are other differences between '32-'34 spindles and '35. You can install '35 drums on '28-'34 spindles but you need the 3/8" spacer to have the correct relationship between the drum and backing plate. If you try to do the reverse, mount '32-'34 drums on '35 spindle, the drum will not seat in far enough. Also keep in mind the '32-'34 brake shoes are 1.5" and the '35-'36 is 1.75". Not sure you would want to reduce braking capability on a stock Model 48 which is heavier than a Model 18.
VONMERKIN nope, you are only partially correct, there is a difference in spindles the snout length is different, 35 is longer than 36. Although they look similar they arent the same.
oh that's weird, i've got odd spindles on my T just for rolling around. one's left and one is right hand drive as both have two steering eye's 1 with a shorter spacing than the other, but using 32 drum's as roll around and have no problem's with length.
So it seems that these are probably 35's since they dont have the ribs around the outside... correct? And 35's & 36's both have 1.75" shoes? So... will these drums interchange with wide five drums?
I don't see a seal bore on the inside. Looks like 32-34 to me. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Correct. The drums you have are 1932 - 1934 and are made for 1.50" wide shoes. Correct: The 1935 drums and 1936 wide five drums have 1/4" wider shoes at 1.75". Both also have ribs around the outside diameter. No. The drums you have will not interchange with wide five drums.
No, you have it backwards. '35 drums are ribbed...yours are '32-'34. The 1.75" measurement you show on your original post is to edge of drum. Those are for 1.5" shoes. This is a '35 drum. It's larger.
Ahhhh... got it. Thanks guys! The 1.75" measurement was throwing me off. I have a complete, stock front axle ***embly with wide five drums that I would like to put under my 1929 model A sport coupe to take advantage of the factory "dropped" axle. I figured I would add a reversed eye front spring to it for further lowering. I have read that 1932 spring perches allow for correct actuator placement with the mechanical brakes. So, the BIG question then... How can I make this axle and any of those parts work with what I would like to accomplish? The current front axle ***embly under my 29 works well so I can use parts from it also.
If the axle is a 36, use your A spindles or 32-4 spindles, your A wishbone, a couple spacers to make up the difference at the perch boss, and the 36 axle. You will need 32-4 brake backing plates to use those drums and 32-4 perch bolts, A actuators and kingpins along with the 32-4 actuating pins. Hope that all makes sense. Pictures of the wide five axle you have would help determine the year, but if the perch to perch and kingpin to kingpin measurements are approximately the same as the A axle, then it will work to lower your car a bit up front. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
Thank you very much!!! That is exactly what I needed to know. I will get some pics and measurements to find out what the wide five front axle really is. Only made from 36 to 39... right? Soooo, ahhhh.... does anyone have any of that stuff layin around that they are sick of tripping over and would really like to sell?
Carter, just to clarify, when you say "to use those drums", you are referring to the '32-'34's pictured in the original post and not the wide fives on nhr's later axle, correct?
I went to check out the axle last night over at Kisam's house and it is not a wide five setup... its a 42-48 axle ***embly... too wide for my sport coupe. Back to the drawing board.
Yeah... the perches on the 42-48 axle are at 40" versus 36" on the model A axle. I figured that would be too wide for the stock model A brake rods and too close for the actuators to the backing plates. The kingpin location is virtually the same on the A axle and the 42-48 axle though. Anyone know if there is some other combination of parts I could use to make the 42-48 axle work under my A?
Not with mechanical brakes. You could use it with split bones and juice brakes, but then you need a custom length spring and there can be clearance issues during turns plus they just don't look right. 33-36 axles are fairly common and plentiful, you should be able to come up with one. Posted using the Full Custom H.A.M.B. App!
I have the '46 axle in a Model A. Someone previously welded the spring perches for the narrower spring on the top of the axle. The wishbone goes where it should on the axle for a '46. I have hydraulic brakes so what worked for me probably won't with mechanicals. Neal
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