I think I would trust a forged axle that had been dropped and drilled to stand up better than some of the aftermarket Mustang II crossmembers we have seen on here.Fish or no Fish. We have seen pictures of a couple crossmember failures,and heard of several more. With all the beam axle cars that have been crashed and destroyed in short track racing over the years,and the thousands of miles on the street with dropped axles, how many axles have actually broken?I've never heard of one. Has anyone noticed how thin those axles are on the outside of the Kingpin boss? Nobody worries about that,but somehow a piece of steel over 1 1/2" square is going to snap. If it hasn't been Quenched,it won't be brittle,and it won't snap.
[ QUOTE ] .Fish or no Fish. We have seen pictures of a couple crossmember failures,and heard of several more. [/ QUOTE ] Ian I am doing an emergency repair right now on annother catastophic failure, two time loser to be exact. My digital camera was at home so took pictures with a disposeable. As soon as I can I will scan the pics of the dammage and repair. As far as the rest of this goes, I hear a lot of he said she said bull. Kinda like what led me to put up the "how to Mustang II" post a while back. I did it to show just how much work, time and thought goes into this stuff. It is clear these guys have a lot of work developing this and there is some bad blood forming because it was posted here. I represent a guy here in town that has spent much more in building dies and fixturing to drop all types of axles and straighten them too. Many people have wanted to see pictures like you folks have posted so they can do it at home too. Fact of the matter is the fixturing is propietary as is the technique and therefore is a closely gaurded secret. The idea is nothing new only the methods are. There are a lot of people that think this type of work should be public knowledge, well it isn't and we really don't feel like giving away all of our hard work and time to anyone. I think that is the real crux of this argument.
your correct there, i want to be a millionare also. i mean thats what the whole worlds about isnt it, money!!!! That ****s, as long as i have enough money to have fun and afford my toys ill be happy, sure i dream about the lottery, but what are the chances of that.
ok anyone out there ever see a beam axel broken? sean some bent ones but never one broken. I dont think it can be done. I bet its never been done. this is a bunch of Fn BS about nothen.
never saw a forged beam broken but saw a superbell tube broke and heard of a cast one break never saw it though,anyone else ?
first thing you need to do is look at the front end for its weakest link. I say its gota be the main leaf in the spring 1/4" thick? at best? shackels? but theres two of them or is it four?
B***, This article was only a couple of years back, and showed them stuffing the end of the axle into a furnace to get it hot. It all looked decidedly crude to me. I couldn't see how the hell they kept the kingpin boss true and round after using it as a major anchorage point and swinging on the rest. Doing it cold would take a M***IVE press, and would likely tear the boss apart, or rip it off off the end of the axle, in my humble experience with metal anyway.
I saw a mag article on dropping axles where the end was heated in a forge and then the kingpin boss was QUENCHED to cool it so that it wouldn't deform as the drop was made. That scared me more than anything that Tight***( ) and the Toad are doing! Bill
[ QUOTE ] and then the kingpin boss was QUENCHED to cool it [/ QUOTE ] If it was reheated and then air cooled,after it was dropped,it wouldn't be a problem.
Hmmmmm.... Yeah! True enough Unkl! MUST be what they did...Rough shape it after cooling the boss a little and then toss it in the forge again to reheat it to allow for an even cooling and possibly reset the camber and even up the caster at that time as well. Makes perfect sense...but I'm sure they didn't SAY it that way! ( Well...I don't THINK they said that anyway... ) I read the article a LONG time ago...early ROD ACTION I think. It is a little fuzzy now. LoL Bill
sounds like a whole lot of something over a little nothing to me.....I say ***us was offering up some good info to the Hamb in good faith.lets drop this potatoe before it gets too hot.this shouldn't take up space that could be used for something more of interest to all the HAMB.
martin luther translated the bible to the language of the common man. look what it got him. look what happened. a simple idea with the power to destroy people, topple nations, change the conduit of history. too many ****ing secrets. knowledge, no matter how small or large is never insignificant. an idea is a whole lot more dangerous than any other weapon in existence. intellectual property is one of the biggest commodities of modern day. those who create ideas are the ones we see as divinity. how do we see those who seek to dispense those ideas? is kelso our modern day hephaestus? i dont know. i do know that hes one hell of a hot rodder, and can do things with a welder I didnt think were possible. our own prometheus, or ***us, if you please, lit the torch on the sun and brought it down to the hambers. how appropriate, that the prometheus of past mythology was a ***an. ***us didnt tell how to drop axles at home, he told about how if you get off your *** and use the ****ing brain god gave all of us, there isnt anything you cant do. the consequence was martyrdom. too bad there are no new ideas, just ones that haven't circulated for a while. if the old drop axle jig in the pictures is so insigniticant, why was there a demand for a post for tech week? kelso didnt invent the drop axle, but he sure did invent the hamb tech week winning axle dropping technique for your own backyard. hephaestus and prometheus are rulers. four-thirteen
I've seen a cast I-beam axle broken as the RESULT of an accident, but not the cause. It was a major enough deal that it didn't matter if the axle stayed together or not -- major unplanned off-road excursion with a '29 RPU, back in the late '80s. Forged steel parts are about the toughest stuff you can get -- especially the new forged axles from CE and others. later, Steve.
[ QUOTE ] I've seen a cast I-beam axle broken as the RESULT of an accident, but not the cause. It was a major enough deal that it didn't matter if the axle stayed together or not -- major unplanned off-road excursion with a '29 RPU, back in the late '80s. Steve. [/ QUOTE ] exactly... Take the same ride in your late model and see what breaks!
The new guy with zero manners might have some good points, but I've seen this very process (using almost exact fixtures) illustrated on the HAMB no less than 3 times in the past 9 years. This is nothing new... As for Brian, I'd be more than happy to give him a shirt too for his efforts...
this guy is obviously NOT interested in the HAMB or us HAMBers. he's only interested in Ripping ***us a new one and then running away. he won't be back. sounds like just another internet tough guy and i for one am not interested in anything he has to say after busting in here like he did and then running off like he did. if i see the post number nextto his name change from "1" i'll be REAL surprised. don't sweat it ***us.
Hey Ryan i already offered him my T-shirt but he said he wasnt interested. I think everything here got blown out of proportion, i didnt say i invented it ever just things can get carried away. Brian hasnt even read the post, hes just going off of what Mr Fields has told him. I dont even know who he is, never met him!! but o-well. Im not gonna loose any sleep over it! ***us
Al Gore Invested the Dropped Axle Sun December 21, 2003 11:05 AM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. vice-president and 2000 Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore Made a statement after bailing his son Al Stash Gore III out of jail for possession of marijuana. "I would like to point out that. during my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the dropped axle." The loser of the 2000 U.S. Presidental election said, "Throughout most of my life, Ive dropped axles. I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put them in the jigs and heated the axles. I've bent them. I've drilled them. I've chromed them, I've installed them, and sold them." When asked what dropped axles are used on Mr.Gore said he wasn't sure but they must be good because he read about them on the HAMB. A family spokeswoman said the family is in the habit of not commenting publicly on the dumb*** lies that Al tells.
Holy **** Zeke thats great. Not only did he invent the internet but the dropped axle as well. What next the Ford Flathead engine?
Hacker, That's the one. Quenched the boss so it wouldn't distort while they tugged on the rest of it. Looked so damn crude to my liking, and I honestly thought the whole article was some Aprils Fools joke, for a while anyways
Well, I haven't read the whole post. Too lazy I guess. And, I'm not a mechanical engineer, or an attorney. Never the less, I thought that you X-Rayed for internal cracks. Or at least an ultrasound. Unless I'm totaly mistaken, Magana-Flux is only gonna show a crack that comes all the way to the surface. Now on to the legal issue, if I build my own fixture, and bend my own axle, the liability is on me. Uh, I'm free, caucasion, and over 21. On the otherhand, if Kelso bends my axle then he takes on the liability. Now it seems to me that Kelso is bending axles, it is his fixture isn't it? I don't know Kelso, probably a hell of a nice guy. And if its his fixture and he's bending axles for folks (at a reasonable price) he couldn't be too concerned about it. Actually come to think of it I'm not at all sure I know you either STRANGER. OH, did I mention for you to have a Happy Holiday?
X-ray can find internal cracking (and surface cracking as well), but... it's most useful in finding porosity, inclusions, slag in welds, etc... as these leave larger pockets to detect. The trick with finding cracks with X-ray is that it's near impossible to detect a crack laying perpendicular to the X-ray beam. The crack would have to be nearly parellel with the X-ray beam, thus forming a nice dark line (since there's less dense material there... aka AIR). But, when the crack is laying perpendicular to the X-ray beam, the minute difference in material density makes it VERY hard to detect. It would have to be a fairly large gap to show a measurable density difference on the film. And magnaflux testing can detect subsurface cracks, just not with the most commonly used AC current method (with the yoke). If you're using the DC current method (preferably half-wave rectified DC) you can detect subsurface discontinuities, but they still need to be somewhat near the surface... The AC current method (yoke) is best used for surface cracks as the magnetic field is going across the surface, as apposed to being introduced into the part with the DC method. The argument between magnaflux and X-ray being the best method for finding internal cracks is moot. The best way to find internal cracking (in ferrous material) would be ultrasound, as porkn****** suggested above... The chances of having actual internal cracking without them starting at the surface is slim also.
well as far as ford axles go I have a video of the ford exhibition at the San Diego world exhibition back in 35, and they had this machine that would take a ford axle and twist it like a corkscrew, and they also had a complete 35 ford sedan hangin from the ceiling off the center of a ford wire wheel! [well thats a little sketchy]
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